4 views of Mark 16:16

Just get baptized, simple, end of story.

Ah, yes, but then you have a new set of questions. What “mode” of baptism is acceptable? Sprinkling, pouring, or immersion? And what is the PURPOSE of baptism? Just to join a church? Just an “outward sign of an inward grace”, or “for the remission of sins?” (Acts 2:38) Could you be baptized wrong and need to be re-baptized? ( Acts 19:1-5)

The subject of “baptism” is important. We need to get our answers from the Bible.

Just get baptized. You worry too much.

Ah, yes, but then you have a new set of questions. What “mode” of baptism is acceptable? Sprinkling, pouring, or immersion? And what is the PURPOSE of baptism? Just to join a church? Just an “outward sign of an inward grace”, or “for the remission of sins?” (Acts 2:38) Could you be baptized wrong and need to be re-baptized? ( Acts 19:1-5)

The subject of “baptism” is important. We need to get our answers from the Bible.

Just get baptized. You worry too much.

It is just as important as the lords supper. Serving the poor, assembling together. and every other command God gave us.

the problem is, people put this command above other commands and act as if God will save you fore this work, and not the rest.

Yes

But because you are saved, not in order to try to appease God and get saved

2 things,

1. Unbelievers get baptized all the time.
2. Is it water baptism Jesus spoke about. or spirit baptism
3. Jesus in no other place said he who believes and is baptized will not be condemned, It is odd that Jesus left baptism out in all the other passages.
4. Get bit by snakes and drink poison, Many believers in God have died of snake bites and drinking poisonous substances, So because of point 3 and 4, many people have found that these were not in the origional autographs, but added at a later date

Unbelievers get baptized all the time.

Yep. Babies, too.

The reason baptism is discussed so much is because there is so much controversy surrounding it. There is division over it. There are so many different views about it and so many different beliefs. No one differs on whether or not we should “serve the poor.” We are mostly all in agreement over that. Or love our neighbor or eat the Lord’s supper. There is no need to discuss such things for we pretty much all agree. It’s mostly our “differences” that we debate.

I can’t find a single verse in the Bible that says to “get baptized because you are saved”
But I CAN find where it says baptism is “FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. (Actsc2:38) and where baptism WASHES AWAY SINS. (Acts 22:16) and where it puts baptism BEFORE salvation (Mark 16:16) and I can find where the Bible says BAPTISM SAVES US. (1 Peter 3:21) BUT I have never seen a scripture that says we are baptized because we are already saved.

And here we have it, yet another thread to further confuse people over one of the simplest things in the New Testament.

Point #3: That does not prove anything. Peter did not say “Repent and be baptized in any other place but that does not prove it’s not true. There is only one scripture that says confession is unto salvation Romans 10:10. It’s not said anywhere else in the Bible but that does not prove it’s not true. God only needs to say it once for it to be true.
The reason God did not say “He that does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned” is because He did not need to say that. It’s obvious that no UNBELIEVER would ever be baptized! I guess God credited us with enough sense to figure that out.

I don’t know what other passages you are talking about where Jesus left baptism out. You will have to give me those in order for me to know how to answer.

Point #4: obviously not every believer could speak in tongues, lay hands on people and heal them, not every believer could cast out demons, handle serpents or drink poison. This was a time when spiritual gifts were in existence. Paul said those “gifts” would cease when the perfect will of God was completed. Jesus in this setting is speaking to the eleven apostles and we know they could do these things but it was never a general prediction for every saved person in the kingdom. Since these special powers have ceased, of course if you try to handle serpents or drink poison today, you will very likely die. That does not disprove what Jesus said to His disciples..

I guess claiming that scriptures that you can’t refute were added at a later time may be considered one way to “get around them,” but the problem is, that these scriptures that you want to claim were added later do not contradict anything else in the Bible. They are consistent with the rest of the New Testament; so I don’t see how that is going to help your case. For example, in Acts 8:12 you have Mark 16:16 repeated. Men and women believed and were baptized. Simon “believed and was baptized. The Ethiopian eunuch believed and STOPPED THE CHARIOT to be baptized. Saul of Tarsus believed and was baptized (Acts 22:16). The Phillipian Jailer believed in verse 31 and was baptized in verse 32. The 3000 Jews on Pentecost believed and were baptized.and had their sins remitted which is the same as were “saved.” So even if you removed Mark 16:16 from the Bible, there is still enough evidence of its truth in the scriptures that it would not be hard to figure out. Especially since 1 Peter 3:21 removes any doubt about whether or not baptism is necessary to salvation.

Point #2– we can figure out whether it’s water baptism or Spirit baptism that saves us by looking closely at the scriptures.
First, there were 3 ways you could get the Holy Spirit according to scripture. 1) by a miraculous baptism ( pouring out) of the Spirit, 2) by the apostles laying their hands on you and giving it to you, or 3) by being baptized in water (Acts 2:38). We know Acts 2:38 was water baptism because the Holy Spirit was promised to them as a “gift” AFTER they were baptized for the remission of sins. When you have your sins remitted that is evidence of salvation. So the Spirit was given to them AFTER they were saved. If the baptism in verse 38 had been “Spirit” baptism then they got the Spirit twice—the first time when they were baptized with it and again after they were baptized. So What Peter would have been saying is be baptized with spirit baptism and you will receive the gift of the Spirit. No, that doesn’t even make sense. .
We know the Eunuch’s baptism was water because he said “here is water. I want to be baptized.” We know Cornelius ‘s baptism was water because they had already been baptized with the Holy Spirit when Peter commanded them to be baptized. As far as what the Bible records there was only 2 times a miraculous baptism fell on people; that was in Acts2 and Acts 10. Since there are no apostles alive today to lay their hands on us and give us the spirit, I’m going to say that water baptism is the “one” baptism in Eph. 4:4. We know that Peter was talking about water baptism when he said it saves us because he used the waters of the flood as a parallel.

lol. Whatever.. Those passages do nto say what you think they say, but hey, you want to earn your salvation feel free.. don;t let me stop you

2 things,

1. Unbelievers get baptized all the time.
2. Is it water baptism Jesus spoke about. or spirit baptism
3. Jesus in no other place said he who believes and is baptized will not be condemned, It is odd that Jesus left baptism out in all the other passages.
4. Get bit by snakes and drink poison, Many believers in God have died of snake bites and drinking poisonous substances, So because of point 3 and 4, many people have found that these were not in the origional autographs, but added at a later date

Yep. Babies, too.

2 things,

1. Unbelievers get baptized all the time.
2. Is it water baptism Jesus spoke about. or spirit baptism
3. Jesus in no other place said he who believes and is baptized will not be condemned, It is odd that Jesus left baptism out in all the other passages.
4. Get bit by snakes and drink poison, Many believers in God have died of snake bites and drinking poisonous substances, So because of point 3 and 4, many people have found that these were not in the origional autographs, but added at a later date