Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

But the Bible never supports the idea of tolerance of sin. Yes, Jesus was a friend of sinners, but He never left them stuck in sin. He said "go and sin no more". We can't let people think they can continually live a sinful life and still make heaven. If we love people, then we will tell them the truth. But it's not only what we tell them, it's how we tell them, with love.

Then don't please.

Then don't please.

If you don't want us to talk about it then you shouldn't bring it up.

I didn't. Perhaps reread. I made a plausible suggestion as to why based on why so many other churches have done the same. But if you are going to characterize my behavior as the same type of behavior as what led to your church dividing, then my explanation makes alot of sense. You want churches to tolerate sin. Christians bring those who sin gently back into the fold as ministers of reconciliation or separate from them. When churches tolerate sin, Christians should first voice their objections, and, if unheeded, find a congregation that doesn't sanction sin.
You are free to share your experiences with your church, but if you are going to characterize my behavior as the same as what caused your church to split, I know why your church split. Some chose unity, and some chose to follow the teachings of the Bible. You seem to favor unity over truth. Jesus certainly didn't.

No, you don't know what happened at all. No one was calling for the toleration of sin, or for any changes in church practices, doctrines, or beliefs.

It was that some folks suddenly refused to tolerate people who saw things differently. People who were previously very good friends, grew up together, raised their kids together, ran VBS together, etc. started calling each other names and attacked each other personally until they could no longer be in each others' presence.

And it had little to nothing to do with our actual faith.

I don't recall scripture saying it's our duty to go around examining and questioning our brethren in Christ, looking for any sins.

In fact, we all fall short of the mark, do we not?

I don't mind talking about it or mentioning it.

I don't appreciate people lecturing and preaching at me about it when they have no idea what happened.

No, you don't know what happened at all. No one was calling for the toleration of sin, or for any changes in church practices, doctrines, or beliefs.

It was that some folks suddenly refused to tolerate people who saw things differently. People who were previously very good friends, grew up together, raised their kids together, ran VBS together, etc. started calling each other names and attacked each other personally until they could no longer be in each others' presence.

And it had little to nothing to do with our actual faith.

So they all believed in abortion and transgender surgery? Or not?

This also means you mischaracterized me, as the disagreements were not over the toleration of sin.

saw what things differently? You need to give a few examples because it is too vague, you could be referring to seeing sinful thing differently.

If you don't want us to talk about it then you shouldn't bring it up.

Could we be more clear about what you mean by the underlined in red? Instead of talking past each other?

Some folks not only didn't tolerate people with different experiences and views, they took that next step and leveled all sorts of terrible accusations against them, including saying they weren't real Christians (and worse).






We're not talking about falling short of the mark. We are talking about people living in sin, living in the world yet claiming to be saved. Neither am I talking about a new Christian. Are we clear?

No.


Tell ya what. Given the high level of personal attacks and name calling that goes on in this sub-forum, I'll not mention or say anything at all about my old church again. I don't see any good coming of it.

It's not personal. You tolerate and sanction sin.

If you don't see the contradiction there, I don't know what else to say.

It's an admission you yourself made.

Where?

Where?

Fear and division.. the stuff politicians thrive on.