Could earth be the center of the universe?

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Clayman

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Since the earth orbits the sun, it does not seem possible that earth would be the center. It would be better to look for a planet that all others rotate around.
Either way it's in the safe hands of our creator!
Well, for three days the earth did not orbit the sun!

In other words when I'm taking a bath and I pull the plug 3 hours later and all my rubber duckies start gravitating towards the whirlpool, it does not mean the plug was in the centre of my bath! :LOL:
 

Embankment

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The more we explore and look out into the vastness of the universe the less science seems to understand. Despite all attempts to discover life on other planets and moons none has been found. Astronomers speculate that Goldilocks planets or planets that could support life are in other solar Systems.
Let’s assume that that is true. The nearest star is something like 4 light years away from us. At any achievable speed it would take 15 to 20 thousand years for a space craft to get there or to here. It will never happen despite what we see in si-fi movies.
For any real meaningful metric, life, all that matters is on this one grain of sand called earth in the vastness of the universe. We are the center of the universe! All that was created as far as can be seen or known was created so that we exist!
 

Eli1

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The more we explore and look out into the vastness of the universe the less science seems to understand. Despite all attempts to discover life on other planets and moons none has been found. Astronomers speculate that Goldilocks planets or planets that could support life are in other solar Systems.
Let’s assume that that is true. The nearest star is something like 4 light years away from us. At any achievable speed it would take 15 to 20 thousand years for a space craft to get there or to here. It will never happen despite what we see in si-fi movies.
For any real meaningful metric, life, all that matters is on this one grain of sand called earth in the vastness of the universe. We are the center of the universe! All that was created as far as can be seen or known was created so that we exist!
You are absolutely correct and this is also a scientific fact. 95% of the universe is receding away from us faster than the speed of light.
It's impossible to know all the details of God's Creation and we will never know, but it sure is inspiring for me as a Christian for the things i am able to see and measure.
 

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There were four space probes to map the microwave background radiation of the Universe



Probe in 1984 (REALK1) Russian

Probe in 1989 (COBE) American

Probe in 2001 (WMAP) American

Probe in 2009 (PLANCK) Eupopean


All Probes obtained similar maps with the same anomaly, which showed an alignment of the Universe with the Earth.


COBE SPACE PROBE​

The Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE /ˈkoʊbi/ KOH-bee), also referred to as Explorer 66, was a NASA satellite dedicated to cosmology, which operated from 1989 to 1993. Its goals were to investigate the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB or CMBR) of the universe and provide measurements that would help shape our understanding of the cosmos.



Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe​

The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), originally known as the Microwave Anisotropy Probe (MAP and Explorer 80), was a NASA spacecraft operating from 2001 to 2010 which measured temperature differences across the sky in the cosmic microwave background (CMB)

PLANCK (Named after Max Planck)​

Planck was a space observatory operated by the European Space Agency (ESA) from 2009 to 2013. It was an ambitious project that aimed to map the anisotropies of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) at microwave and infrared frequencies, with high sensitivity and angular resolution. The mission was highly successful and substantially improved upon observations made by the NASA Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP).

The following extracts are by Lawrence Krause from the Edge Magazine dated 7/5/06.

Lawrence Krause is one of the top cosmologists in the world. Lawrence was called on by the Ohio School System to represent them when they were attempting to stop the move to introduce Intelligent design into the Ohio School System in a court action. Part of Lawrence’s argument was that school students would not be able to obtain jobs in the science fields.

Lawrence Krause is an atheist.

Edge.org

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Bottom of FormTHE ENERGY OF EMPTY SPACE THAT ISN'T ZERO

A Talk With Lawrence M. Krauss [7.5.06]

“I invited a group of cosmologists, experimentalists, theorists, and particle physicists. Stephen Hawking came. We had three Nobel laureates: Gerard 't Hooft, David Gross, Frank Wilczek; well-known cosmologists and physicists such as Jim Peebles at Princeton, Alan Guth at MIT, Kip Thorne at Caltech, Lisa Randall at Harvard; experimentalists, such as Barry Barish of LIGO, the gravitational wave observatory; we had observational cosmologists, people looking at the cosmic microwave background; we had Maria Spiropulu from CERN, who's working on the Large Hadron Collider—which, a decade ago, people wouldn't have thought it was a probe of gravity, but now due to recent work in the possibility of extra dimensions it might be.”----38 paragraphs---Last two paragraphs.---------

That is, we live in one universe, so we're a sample of one. With a sample of one, you have what is called a large sample variance. And maybe this just means we're lucky, that we just happen to live in a universe where the number's smaller than you'd predict. But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.

The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is imply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales. And of course as a theorist I'm certainly hoping it's the latter, because I want theory to be wrong, not right, because if it's wrong there's still work left for the rest of us.
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The Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation signature presents a direct large-scale view of the universe that can be used to identify whether our position or movement has any particular significance. There has been much publicity about analysis of results from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) and Planck mission that show both expected and unexpected anisotropies in the CMB.[1] The results appear to run counter to expectations from the Copernican Principle. The motion of the solar system, and the orientation of the plane of the ecliptic are aligned with features of the microwave sky, which on conventional thinking are caused by structure at the edge of the observable universe.[2][3]
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Scientific American: Is the Universe Out of Tune? [ COSMOLOGY ]
Like the discord of key instruments in a skillful orchestra quietly playing the wrong piece, mysterious discrepancies have arisen between theory and observations of the "music" of the cosmic microwave background. Either the measurements are wrong or the universe is stranger than we thought.
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The Copernican principle has never been proven, and in the most general sense cannot be proven, but it is implicit in many modern theories of physics. Cosmological models are often derived with reference to the cosmological principle, slightly more general than the Copernican principle, and many tests of these models can be considered tests of the Copernican principle.[9]



The axis of evil

WHAT would you do if you found a mysterious and controversial pattern in the radiation left over from the big bang? In 2005, Kate Land and João Magueijo at Imperial College London faced just such a conundrum. What they did next was a PR master stroke: they called their discovery the cosmic “axis of evil“.

What exactly had they seen? Instead of finding hot and cold spots randomly spattered across the sky as they expected, the pair’s analysis showed that the spots in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) appeared to be aligned in one particular direction through space. (With the EARTH)

The apparent alignment is “evil” because it undermines what we thought we knew about the early universe. Modern cosmology is built on the assumption that the universe is essentially the same in whichever direction we look. If the cosmic radiation has a preferred direction, that assumption may have to go – along with our best theories about cosmic history.


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Genez

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Actually, if the universe is expanding, then from any viewpoint within it, everything would appear to be moving away. Nothing about this indicates that the Earth is at the centre.
Yet, from what we see in the Bible...
The earth is at the center of God's attention...
 
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Yet, from what we see in the Bible...
The earth is at the center of God's attention...
Yup it's just heaven and earth that's it. Sun moon and stars in the firmament. That's it. The moon is it's own light. The sun it's own light. God is at the top of the firmament looking down on us. The sky is blue because the waters above.
 

DavyP

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Well, GOD did say He chose to dwell at Jerusalem upon this earth forever.

Ps 132:13-14
13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; He hath desired it for His habitation.
14 "This is My rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it."
KJV
 
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Isaiah 40:21-23
[21]Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
[22]It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
[23]That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.


Well yes I agree the new heaven will be the new Jerusalem. But i go with this verse. God is watching can see all and is not 78678567567 light years away
 

Genez

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Yup it's just heaven and earth that's it. Sun moon and stars in the firmament. That's it. The moon is it's own light. The sun it's own light. God is at the top of the firmament looking down on us. The sky is blue because the waters above.
All we know now of the universe will be burned up in one gigantic example of nuclear fusion.
That will take place, and then God will create an eternal new heavens and earth.. The "home of righteousness."

Not to be confused with the new heaven and earth God will bring into being for the Millennium.

2 Peter 3:10-13


But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; and the
elements will melt with fervent heat;
and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be?
You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.


That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
But in keeping with his promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.





The elements will melt... That is the same Greek wording used for what is found on the periodic table - the elements chart found in chemistry class. Elements will melt = nuclear fusion.
 
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Well the word universe is not in the Bible it's man made
 
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Genesis 1:1-10
[1]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[4]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[6]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[7]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[8]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[9]And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[10]And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.



I don't see science talk about the waters above the Firmament or Firmament in general. They have a fake theory that is of Satan. Twisting God's design and creation
 

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The James Webb telescope is changing what they thought they knew about the universe. rapidly. They’ve even began to question the Big Bang theory
My understanding is that new knowledge is confirming the BBT. Earth is not at the center of the universe or the Solar system. The more interesting question is whether there are millions of earths with human life on them.
 
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My understanding is that new knowledge is confirming the BBT. Earth is not at the center of the universe or the Solar system. The more interesting question is whether there are millions of earths with human life on them.
How is the earth not at the center? Where do you get your info from?
 

Pilgrimshope

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My understanding is that new knowledge is confirming the BBT. Earth is not at the center of the universe or the Solar system. The more interesting question is whether there are millions of earths with human life on them.
Yea these days I’m not suprised there are different ideas about any and everything
 

Dino246

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Yup it's just heaven and earth that's it. Sun moon and stars in the firmament. That's it. The moon is it's own light. The sun it's own light. God is at the top of the firmament looking down on us. The sky is blue because the waters above.
Do you believe the earth is flat too?
 
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