Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture
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Those who think we can lose our salvation?
Have some other guy named Jesus, telling us...
They picture a nasty, petty, spiteful, legalistic god.
One needs to be a very spiteful person to see God in their own image.
Have some other guy named Jesus, telling us...
"I died for all sins of the world.
Except, for the sins I did not die for.
Jump into that pond?
And, you wash away the blood that saves you!"
They picture a nasty, petty, spiteful, legalistic god.
One needs to be a very spiteful person to see God in their own image.
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I know that MANY folks [incorrectly] believe that UNBELIEVERS / the UNSAVED will be who ENTERS the Millennial Kingdom age (contrary to all that the Gospels have to say about that!)... and they *think* this [muchly-]BECAUSE they place the "Sheep and goat [separation-]judgment" (Matt25:31-46) at the GWTj time-slot of the chronology (i.e. FOLLOWING the 1000 yrs), which is NOT AT ALL "when" it will take place.
(That's just ONE factor of their "reasoning" on this point... there are several other incorrect notions they add to the mix, to come up with this; MISPLACING the time-frame for Dan7:12 is another one... [It is PAST history, not "FUTURE" to us!])
(That's just ONE factor of their "reasoning" on this point... there are several other incorrect notions they add to the mix, to come up with this; MISPLACING the time-frame for Dan7:12 is another one... [It is PAST history, not "FUTURE" to us!])
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection.
The second death has no power over them, but they will be
priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
First and Second speak of types... Not chronological order.
There are two kinds of resurrections.
One type is for the believer.
The Second type is the incinerator.
Those thrown into the Lake of Fire will take place only after all believers throughout history (church and non-church) have been resurrected in their everlasting bodies.
The unbeliever will be resurrected into his body of sin to stand before the Lord and be condemned.
They will appear in their body of this earth
That is why Jesus said that they would die in their sins!
The second death is stated as such because after being brought back to life physically, that body will be thrown into the flames to experience their second death! The antithesis of being born again!
To say the "Tribulation believers are those that underwent the Great Tribulation" is rather circular and doesn't tell me who you think they are. Are they the Church, those in Christ? Are they Jewish believers only? Are they a mix of Jewish believers and Gentile believers who live in and worship with Israel? Or a mix of Jewish and Gentile believers throughout the world?
I am trying to picture the practical ramifications of what you are saying.
Do you see only the Resurrected entering the Millennium? If so how can they be deceived at the end? Doesn't give us a great deal of hope if we can still be deceived in our resurrection bodies does it?
If only some believers are resurrected to enter the Millennium and others enter in their flesh bodies, what is the criteria that determines that separation?
Or do you picture there will be unbelievers entering the Millennium alongside believers?
Are you actually seeing in your mind the implication of what you say or are you simply repeating a verse without understanding?
I am trying to picture the practical ramifications of what you are saying.
Do you see only the Resurrected entering the Millennium? If so how can they be deceived at the end? Doesn't give us a great deal of hope if we can still be deceived in our resurrection bodies does it?
If only some believers are resurrected to enter the Millennium and others enter in their flesh bodies, what is the criteria that determines that separation?
Or do you picture there will be unbelievers entering the Millennium alongside believers?
Are you actually seeing in your mind the implication of what you say or are you simply repeating a verse without understanding?
Huh? Who gets deceived when Satan is loosed if there is no-one on earth? You think God let's him back into heaven to do his dirty work after already having had him thrown down to earth?
I may not be able to produce a specific verse but common sense based on what scripture says prevails when specifics don't.
Show me your scriptural reasoning for believing no-one is on earth during the Millennium.
I may not be able to produce a specific verse but common sense based on what scripture says prevails when specifics don't.
Show me your scriptural reasoning for believing no-one is on earth during the Millennium.
What happens if your wrong.
You are so sure about the order, but you haven't given bible verses
Test all things.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Show me from scripture please.
2Ti 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Show me that it is not a fable.
1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
You are so sure about the order, but you haven't given bible verses
Test all things.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Show me from scripture please.
2Ti 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Show me that it is not a fable.
1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
Huh? 
The new earth will have sinners born into it?
Where did THAT come from?
Didn't you mean the Millennial Kingdom?
MM
The new earth will have sinners born into it?
Where did THAT come from?
Didn't you mean the Millennial Kingdom?
MM
There will be two new earths.
First one will be the earth of the Millennium.
At the end of 1000 years Satan will be loosed to wage war against the Lamb
and be destroyed with finality.
Then, when a thousand years are done?
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear
with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and
everything done in it will be laid bare." 2 Peter 3:10
God will destroy the heavens and earth with fire and begin with another "new" earth.
That new earth will be called "the Home of Righteousness."
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven
and a new earth, the Home of Righteousness." 2 Peter 3:13
grace and peace .................