The hatred of Jews

No doubt "some" - as it is today; however, with regard to prophecy - remember that 'political' Israel and 'true' Israel are two different things - which one would you say Armageddon prophecy is referring to?

And, if you wish to insist that the answer is 'ancient' Israel - how does the prophecy of Zechariah fit into any point in time of the past?

I find tangents a challenge for my tired brain so let's just go with "some" so are the "some" genetically Jewish and connected to Jacob?

How much DNA is required to have that link and how can we know what that DNA is?

I just do not understand the fusion of what is a political situation to a biblical position unless a connection can be proven in some way.

Maybe the time of Jacobs trouble already happened.
One only has to go about 3 or 4 generations back to find there might not be inheritance from an ancestor.
I guess Scofield and Darby did not know much about DNA... just sayin.

No the time of Jacobs trouble has not yet happened. Why? Because the Jews, as a corporate body, have not yet recognized Yeshua as their Messiah and called upon His Name for deliverance from the AC and his armies.

As for your DNA dilemma......prove it. You are going to have a tough time with that. More like impossible.

I do find the historicist position confusing because it still requires matching headlines to scripture it seems.

I cannot see how Jesus did not fulfill all the promises made to Israel in the OT especially when reads the Book written to the Hebrews.

I may have asked this but I could not find your response, so not sure, but who is natural Israel?

Are the people located there direct descendants of ancient Israel?

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This parable is only in Matthew. Yes, it can be spiritualized, that is fine. But from a natural standpoint it is referring to the nation of Israel and people claiming to be "Israel" or "Jews".

For example the Rothschilds are not Jews, they are Edomites.

We know this is the case because when Israel is saved and Jesus steps down and splits the mountain only one third are saved.

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Two things happening here-wheat which are both Jews and Gentiles being taken to the barn Heaven and the Tares thrown into the fire

Speaks of only one coming

The Reapers are angels

You see the same thing in Revelations 14--speaks again a two-fold prophecy and again the angels are called Reapers

Well, it doesn't really necessitate us looking for headlines because complete fulfillment means dwelling with The Living God on earth. It's true that (a) many passages have been fulfilled before we were even born. But we also know that (b) if The Almighty and His Son aren't here then more remains to be fulfilled because They are the end of prophecy. It was written that they're supposed to dwell with us on earth.

The historicist view of eschatology follows the understanding that The Almighty is sovereign and is executing His plan across ALL human history until They are here, not just up to 70 AD; and that the book of Revelation is the portion of that plan that covers from ascension of Messiah approx 2000 years ago to descension of Messiah when He comes to crush the nations and rule.

If preterism = All is fulfilled in 70 AD...

...and Futurism = All will be fulfilled sometime in the future...

Then Historicism = Some were fulfilled in 70 AD, some are being fulfilled in our lifetime, and the rest will be fulfilled sometime in the future.

Now beyond this foundation, you'll have historicists differing in eschatological interpretations as many do within other views..



There are a few ways...

1.

Hebrews 8:8-12 references the promise made in Jeremiah 31:34 which includes:

- Putting His laws in their minds
- Writing His laws on their hearts
- Teaching/education about The Almighty will no longer be necessary because all will know Him (i.e., laws in heart & mind)
- Their sins will be forgiven and forgotten


Question: Is the bible taught today? Are there still seminaries and bible colleges? Are there weekly sermons and lessons preached? Must we still study the scriptures daily?

If the answer is "yes" then the complete fulfillment of the above promise hasn't happened yet. The Son has always known The Father and the law is already in His heart and mind. The promise is that His people will know Him so well they will not need to be taught about Him. The Messiah sacrificed Himself for sin but The Word/The Law hasn't been written on hearts yet not until the fulfillment of Ezekiel 36:27 when The Messiah covenants with the many when He returns.

Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.


When He came the first time He covenanted with the few as "firstfruits". The greater harvest waits for the second outpouring of His Spirit.


2.

Hebrews says that the Messiah is the mediator of this new covenant (i.e., He facilitates it as High Priest), but Israel and Judah were specifically promised to receive and experience it. Yet as a punishment for rejecting the Messiah, they were scattered and caused to forget who they were and worship false gods (i.e. false religions). So the new covenant was offered to Gentiles, but both passages say the recipients of this promise are Israel (northern house) and Judah (southern house).


3.

The writer of Hebrews 9 details how the first part of the ritual of Atonement (Leviticus 16) has been fulfilled in Messiah but never describes how the second part is fulfilled. Then Hebrews 9:27 describes two distinct works with a promise for the second work:

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ [first work] was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but [second work] to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.


Christ was offered (past tense)...and He "will appear" (future tense) to bring...




Natural Israel
- 10 tribes (who are not Jews because Jews are from Judah)
- 2 tribes (who are Jews and Bejaminites)

Scripture says they would be:
- Scattered
- Forget they are Israel
- Worship false gods (i.e., follow false religions)
- Poor
- Innumerable (Hosea 1:10) not small in number
- Would be gathered by Messiah from the following areas: Assyria, Egypt, Cush/Ethiopia, Elam, Shinar/Babylonia, Hamath, and the islands (Isaiah 11:11)

So there's a high probability that some (not all) of them are:
- Palestinians
- Iranians
- Iraqis
- Egyptians (Mizrahi Jews)
- Africans (Ethiopian Jews)
- Syrians
- Filipinos


Those who believe they are natural Israel are Gentiles and those who have been told they are the worst of Gentiles and enemies of God are natural Israel. In other words, the two groups are flipped.


Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass that in the place where it was said unto them, ‘Ye are not My people,’ there it shall be said unto them, ‘Ye are the sons of the living God.’

The Jerusalem Post published an article with the following title:

IDF knew of Hamas's plan to kidnap 250 before October 7 attack - report

Apparently, the IOF's intelligence arm circulated an internal document with detailed info about the pending attack and hostage-taking that went to top officials. The document was called "Detailed End-to-End Raid Training," and was circulated on September 19, 2023, uncoincidentally the very week IOF soldiers shot at a bunch of peaceful protestors and children with sniper rifles.

So they were acutely aware that Hamas was planning retaliation. The document even details the IOF monitoring Hamas exercises and taking notes of each phase of the plan.

So...there's that...

So we have two options: either (a) the IOF is incompetent and cocky, unable to "defend" themselves even when they had every step of their enemy's plan...or (b) they purposely allowed it to happen to justify the genocide we've witnessed for an entire year so just they can cleanse Gaza of Arabs.

Considering all the evidence that's been uncovered about The State of Israel, I'm leaning towards the latter.

So glad you are able to judge other people so freely and call them "rubbish" yes this is the epitome of Christian love.
I did not read a reference to his ideas as rubbish ... but to him.

Jesus stirred up a little strife in his day, guess they banned Him too, in a manner of speaking.