Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
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Lots of Christians "just quit" for a time, when they are really struggling with hearing God or are going through a rebellious phase. Many of them return to the faith later in life. A few on this forum have testified to such. That tells me your second sentence is incorrect.
Let's be careful not to judge anyone as we discuss this topic, since actual blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the one sin for which there is no forgiveness available.
Let's be careful not to judge anyone as we discuss this topic, since actual blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the one sin for which there is no forgiveness available.
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There was a testimony of a comedian recently on CBN and he would often make fun of Christianity and the Trinity i would say he even blasphemy against the Holy Spirit but God came down and saved him too. No one can know who are God's people are but himself. A preacher said "Sometimes God saves people early and sometimes late I don't know why he has someone wait but that the wait must have done them some good"
It is not the easiest thing living in our times everywhere you look there's sin. Our father knows the times we live in are evil He doesn't compare us to the saints but the times that we live in. We should still try the best we can but it's a Miracle anyone is saved.
There was a testimony of a comedian recently on CBN and he would often make fun of Christianity and the Trinity i would say he even blasphemy against the Holy Spirit but God came down and saved him too. No one can know who are God's people are but himself. A preacher said "Sometimes God saves people early and sometimes late I don't know why he has someone wait but that the wait must have done them some good"
It is not the easiest thing living in our times everywhere you look there's sin. Our father knows the times we live in are evil He doesn't compare us to the saints but the times that we live in. We should still try the best we can but it's a Miracle anyone is saved.
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Jesus told us of this sin right after being accused of doing miracles by the power of the evil one; as seen in Mt 12: 24-32:
"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Blasphemy is speaking evilly, not stumbling or sinning See Jam 3: 2 NASB, "For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well." And again in, 1 Jn 5: 16-17: "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."
The difference between stumbling and falling away is that one gets back up before faith dies out. As seen in Rom 11: 20-24: "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?"
Regarding unforgivable sins:
Rev 3: 4 refers to those in the Church in Sardis, who are ready to die, "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." And again in Rev 22: 19: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Add to these the scripture passage above in Rom 11: 20-22.
"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Blasphemy is speaking evilly, not stumbling or sinning See Jam 3: 2 NASB, "For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well." And again in, 1 Jn 5: 16-17: "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."
The difference between stumbling and falling away is that one gets back up before faith dies out. As seen in Rom 11: 20-24: "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?"
Regarding unforgivable sins:
Rev 3: 4 refers to those in the Church in Sardis, who are ready to die, "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." And again in Rev 22: 19: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Add to these the scripture passage above in Rom 11: 20-22.
Jesus is the only one in the Whole Bible who used this term. And it was in context to saying Jesus was casting out devils by the devil's power. You should not assume who is dammed to hell when Jesus did not say to anyone they Have Blasphemed The Holy Spirit. This sin is one of knowledge that can't be done in ignorance.
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This sin has another aspect to it, in my opinion...
It will be a forbidden fruit, if you will: When we're in New Jerusalem that has come down from heaven upon the New Earth and there is no more faith, for why would we believe for what we already posses? It will be that one thing that as long as we refrain from doing it, we'll be choosing the Lord, making us able to want want to be there. It takes away our inability of having any form of free will. It seems unlikely that any of the Lord's people would actually commit this sin, when the consequence will be so dramatically obvious and real to each one of us there. And, in fact, I can't see Jesus not having a long heart-felt talk with anyone before such an action is taken.
This doesn't men that I think that we have an unlimited free will in this life as only those who are called are even able to draw near to the Lord. I suspect that each sin has four consequences to it. A spiritual consequence that only Jesus could deal with as our kinsman redeemer. Then there are the physical and soul-ish consequences. Take alcohol for instance. The physical abuse slowly destroyed a person's liver among other things and it's soul-ish consequence is a breakdown of that person's relationships. I suspect that each sin has its own particular breakdown of these last two consequences. Lastly, we're told in scripture that "he that gives himself to sin becomes a slave to sin." A person's free will becomes overcome with what we call now-a-days as addictive behavior and a craving that just doesn't go completely away without the Lord's intervention which I call the promise of the New Covenant, where the Lord puts his commandments in our minds and writes his statutes upon the tables of our hearts.
It will be a forbidden fruit, if you will: When we're in New Jerusalem that has come down from heaven upon the New Earth and there is no more faith, for why would we believe for what we already posses? It will be that one thing that as long as we refrain from doing it, we'll be choosing the Lord, making us able to want want to be there. It takes away our inability of having any form of free will. It seems unlikely that any of the Lord's people would actually commit this sin, when the consequence will be so dramatically obvious and real to each one of us there. And, in fact, I can't see Jesus not having a long heart-felt talk with anyone before such an action is taken.
This doesn't men that I think that we have an unlimited free will in this life as only those who are called are even able to draw near to the Lord. I suspect that each sin has four consequences to it. A spiritual consequence that only Jesus could deal with as our kinsman redeemer. Then there are the physical and soul-ish consequences. Take alcohol for instance. The physical abuse slowly destroyed a person's liver among other things and it's soul-ish consequence is a breakdown of that person's relationships. I suspect that each sin has its own particular breakdown of these last two consequences. Lastly, we're told in scripture that "he that gives himself to sin becomes a slave to sin." A person's free will becomes overcome with what we call now-a-days as addictive behavior and a craving that just doesn't go completely away without the Lord's intervention which I call the promise of the New Covenant, where the Lord puts his commandments in our minds and writes his statutes upon the tables of our hearts.
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I don't know about the Scribes, but the Pharisees knew very well that Jesus
was on a mission from God (John 3:1-2) but they saw him not as a fellow,
rather, as a rival for the people's affections; and they had a bit of a problem
with envy too.
The Pharisees' rivalry with Jesus isn't all that unusual. I've no doubt lots of
folks would rather suffer in Hell than give in to his demands because then
Jesus would win and they could never live with that.
Well; you know, people's rivalry with Christ is fine by me just so long as they
don't get ugly and mean-spirited about it.
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I don't know about the Scribes, but the Pharisees knew very well that Jesus
was on a mission from God (John 3:1-2) but they saw him not as a fellow,
rather, as a rival for the people's affections; and they had a bit of a problem
with envy too.
The Pharisees' rivalry with Jesus isn't all that unusual. I've no doubt lots of
folks would rather suffer in Hell than give in to his demands because then
Jesus would win and they could never live with that.
Well; you know, people's rivalry with Christ is fine by me just so long as they
don't get ugly and mean-spirited about it.
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Amen it’s knowing and believing who jesus claimed to be or rejecting it that roots it all either salvation or damnation
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.”
John 14:10-11 KJV
If we reject him it becomes a damnation from which there is no escape from our sins which bring death
at its base and core foundation Christianity, Jesus Gospel itself is a sharp sword that is black and white and reduces down to this basic point either
this black
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:24KJV
And then the other of this simple basic fundamental point is white
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
Acts 10:43 KJV
sin is death all have sinned …. And so God has done this
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3
Now we have this situation
“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 KJV
It’s about faith in Christ but the faith that he preached in the gospel that comes from believing the gospel
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.”
John 14:10-11 KJV
If we reject him it becomes a damnation from which there is no escape from our sins which bring death
at its base and core foundation Christianity, Jesus Gospel itself is a sharp sword that is black and white and reduces down to this basic point either
this black
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:24KJV
And then the other of this simple basic fundamental point is white
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
Acts 10:43 KJV
sin is death all have sinned …. And so God has done this
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3
Now we have this situation
“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 KJV
It’s about faith in Christ but the faith that he preached in the gospel that comes from believing the gospel
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The only unforgivable sin is:
Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit "Unbelief" that God through Son came to earth to save us all, left only one thing left:
Son is risen where new life as born again is given. the sacrifice done by Son willingly took away all sin first (John 1:29) but "Unbelief to this done work for you, you, me and all others too.
Belief to God Father in risen Son as risen for you and be new in getting taught new by God and not this world of Churches Hebrews 8:1-4, thank you
Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit "Unbelief" that God through Son came to earth to save us all, left only one thing left:
Son is risen where new life as born again is given. the sacrifice done by Son willingly took away all sin first (John 1:29) but "Unbelief to this done work for you, you, me and all others too.
Belief to God Father in risen Son as risen for you and be new in getting taught new by God and not this world of Churches Hebrews 8:1-4, thank you
yes, it is my conjecture as to that be what it is, either one believes God or not, matters not whoever says they do or not, God knows the truth and God gets God's children to see the whole truth in the forgiveness given to them in Son for them and then see the risen Son and do as told willingly the same as Jesus did it first all the way to being dead this world we are physically in willingly (Romans 14:1-4)
To me I am set free from under Law, that I was under by the society in Church building, I call these the do-gooders that can not please God reveals to his, as the pharisee thought he was or had it together and saw himself as better. Luke 18:9-14, the sinner was Justified in admitting his need for God
That be what I see and all others are free to do as they choose too, thank you
Believe God just loves you too or not, have doubt and be not established in truth of God (Isaiah 7:9)
Believe God in risen Son and be set free from the stress of under Law and then do things right, once freed willingly over having to do to get in as is what Law says, you better or else attitudes of the first born flesh nature
Time to be born new by God for you, me and all others too, in thanksgiving and praise all sin taken out of the way as far as the east is from the west in the risen Son Jesus (Psalm 103:123, 100:4)
To me I am set free from under Law, that I was under by the society in Church building, I call these the do-gooders that can not please God reveals to his, as the pharisee thought he was or had it together and saw himself as better. Luke 18:9-14, the sinner was Justified in admitting his need for God
That be what I see and all others are free to do as they choose too, thank you
Believe God just loves you too or not, have doubt and be not established in truth of God (Isaiah 7:9)
Believe God in risen Son and be set free from the stress of under Law and then do things right, once freed willingly over having to do to get in as is what Law says, you better or else attitudes of the first born flesh nature
Time to be born new by God for you, me and all others too, in thanksgiving and praise all sin taken out of the way as far as the east is from the west in the risen Son Jesus (Psalm 103:123, 100:4)
When the Holy Spirit convicted me, enabling me to see my need for Jesus' redemptive work on the Cross for my sins and place my faith in Him, I was saved. It was God who helped me accept the Death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord. The context of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, as you have stated, is your conjecture; however, many have used similar understanding to condemn those who they told have done the unforgivable sin. I would not advise one to do that.
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As I did not do that. The beleif is personal, between God and that person, personally
Matthew 22:37
Authorized (King James) Version
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Any Doubt? causes troubles in being established, that did that for me and put me under having to do, what God by Son has already done once for everyone to beleive and see the new come on them as born again as all are called, just not all have chosen to believe. I see Isaiah 7:1-9 where God tells them about a truth to believe and if they do not beleive, that includes doubt, then God does not establish those in doubt. God there, never forsaking anyone, yet honors the promise of free choice to everyone
I helped a neighbor across the street and the neighbor said God bless you for doing as called to do. I replied, I chose to, I never had to. there is a difference thank you
Matthew 22:37
Authorized (King James) Version
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Any Doubt? causes troubles in being established, that did that for me and put me under having to do, what God by Son has already done once for everyone to beleive and see the new come on them as born again as all are called, just not all have chosen to believe. I see Isaiah 7:1-9 where God tells them about a truth to believe and if they do not beleive, that includes doubt, then God does not establish those in doubt. God there, never forsaking anyone, yet honors the promise of free choice to everyone
I helped a neighbor across the street and the neighbor said God bless you for doing as called to do. I replied, I chose to, I never had to. there is a difference thank you
