What is the point in being a prophet?

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Okay, but what "prophecy" has jonchristian asserted that you find objectionable? And I would like jonchristian to state what assertion he thinks you object to. Then I might add my two cents.

Read his post #74: "This is the prophecy and the message the Lord revealed to me over 10 years ago and His Spirit has impressed upon me to share: In the Bible, in the book of Revelation, God talks about Mystery Babylon. America is Babylon. And God has raised up Russia to destroy Babylon (America) in divine judgment - COMPLETELY. After the destruction of America, the Great Tribulation Jesus warned about will begin."

Right off, I knew this was false. Babylon that the Bible speaks of is NOT the US. Also, he can extrapolate a guess from the newspaper headlines of today. Doesn't mean that Russia will actually attack and destroy the US though.


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Okay, but what "prophecy" has jonchristian asserted that you find objectionable? And I would like jonchristian to state what assertion he thinks you object to. Then I might add my two cents.
He is only evangelizing.

The gift of prophet ended (or near ended) with John after he wrote Revelation.
 

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He is only evangelizing.

The gift of prophet ended (or near ended) with John after he wrote Revelation.

He's evangelizing based off false prophecy though (Russia to destroy the US and usher in the great tribulation). Any type of misleading info where God is concerned is bad because he's attributing this lie to God, claiming that God told him this.


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He's evangelizing based off false prophecy though (Russia to destroy the US and usher in the great tribulation). Any type of misleading info where God is concerned is bad because he's attributing this lie to God, claiming that God told him this.


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We already have him understood.

No sense trying to continue.
I have had contact with a few who were walking in the same realm.
 
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Okay, but what "prophecy" has jonchristian asserted that you find objectionable? And I would like jonchristian to state what assertion he thinks you object to. Then I might add my two cents.
How dare you show up and ask a reasonable question of the OP in this thread? You'll be branded a heretic and excommunicated for such an unspeakable act. There is no middle ground here, stranger. You're either with OP or against him, there is no two ways about it.

Sarcasm aside, the actual problem can be summed up in this: Our Lord Jesus Christ has called me to be a prophet. They don't believe that He has because it doesn't measure up to their standards of what a prophet is (they'll say I don't measure up to the Bible's standards, but hey, with 45,000 denominations of Christianity, there are so many standards to choose from!) At this point, nothing I say or do could convince them otherwise because then they'd have to humbly admit they were wrong, admit their theology was wrong, and admit that they treated their Brother in Christ wrong. God forbid! That would be like only having 44,999 denominations left to choose from.

Since you asked reasonably, I'll share with you an excerpt of my testimony that I've written elsewhere publicly (this was written almost exactly a year ago):

Take a look into my mind. I’ve known this for almost 20 years [about the destruction of America to come]. It’s always in the back of my thoughts. I’ve tried to share it everywhere I could: I wrote about it in apocalyptic prose in my book Beyond Millennium (I did so as an artform in tribute to John’s Revelation), I preached the message at church, I shared the sermons on Facebook, I made a website called bowandcrown.com to share my sermons and news updates leading to this, I shared it on internet forums, in Bible studies, on the street, in the homes of family and friends, and I sent it to many churches, famous preachers, and evangelists like Joyce Meyers and John Hagee. People ignore me and just think I’m crazy. And many Christians want to tell me how wrong I am: that America is not Babylon and Putin cannot be the “Antichrist” or Beast of Revelation. That there will be no nuclear war and how God wouldn’t allow such a thing to happen to America. They call me a false prophet and all sorts of other things. After my second divorce, I deleted many of the places I had posted about it online as I told the Lord I was done prophesying, but my actions did not change His plan for me. In fact, He used my divorce as a prophetic sign as detailed in my letter to Steve Upchurch which I’ll share. So, here I am, compiling all of it and declaring it again as the time is closer than it has ever been. And I’ve done my best to leave the original links unedited so you can see in my timestamps, I prophesied these things well before now - I didn’t just start talking about them because of current world events.

As a result of the slander and accusations I’ve faced, I’ve spent many times in prayer asking the Lord, “Am I a false prophet? Lord, tell me if I am so that I may repent. I don’t want to lead anyone astray. Everyone already thinks I’m crazy, it’ll be a relief to just confirm it, forget about it, and get on with living a normal life. I’ll humbly admit I was wrong and a liar and that perhaps I’m mentally ill with delusions or schizophrenia.” As a former mental health practitioner, I am well aware the things I believe the Lord has revealed to me sound like delusions of grandeur. I’m 100% cognizant of how people must perceive me when I share these things. When I was married and my children were with me, I felt a great heaviness for my (ex)wives and children when they had to go into public knowing people probably thought, “They live with Jon Minor who is crazy and thinks he’s a prophet. How embarrassing.” Or when I visit friends and go into public, how people must think of me. I imagine when people read this, they will think, “I work with that guy and he’s not that great” or “I went to school with Jon and used to party with him” or “I bought weed from that guy” or “I used to date Jon” (they probably won’t admit to that actually lol), or “Jon Minor has really went off the deep end as a religious nut.” People will talk about my endless list of failures and sins as if they know something about me that God doesn’t. One thing I’ve learned in growing in the Lord is this: God never approved of ANYONE’S sins - not even His most beloved servants. However, if He doesn’t use men who’ve sinned for His purposes, He wouldn’t have men to use. Jesus was the only perfect man. I’m just a guy God chose to use for this purpose. I’m no better than you and He doesn’t love me or respect me any more than He does you or anyone else. In fact, I hope this encourages you. If God could use such a lowly sinner and weak vessel as myself for this calling, how much more can He use someone like you! (If you’re jealous of me, please ask Him to carry my burden and let you be the prophet - it has cost me so much grief and sorrow and I’d be happy to have had a normal life.) I tried to live a normal life and keep up the facade of being a normal person, but the heaviness of the prophecy was greater than my humility because I knew the truth of it was from the Lord and the implications of it were too great to remain silent. But, pray as I might, I only found silence from the Holy Spirit when I would plead with Him about whether I’m a false prophet.

Again, I’m just a guy. Compared to the greatness of the Lord, we're nothing. Remember though, God loved us so much He sent His Son Jesus to die for us and that means we are everything to Him. He didn’t die for the angels, or the planet, or the heavens - He died for you and He died for me. All who accept our Lord Jesus Christ and praise Him and lift up His Name in this fallen world are His glory - we are His eternal trophies. So, while you may feel insignificant in this world, your worth is immeasurable to God.

Today, 10/17/2023, as I start writing this, I prayed to the Lord to show me what I should do about these prophecies. I prayed this specifically because, two days ago, I had decided I would write an accounting of being God’s prophet (see my Facebook 10/15/2023). After praying, I began my daily bible reading for our “read the Bible in a year” group. I got the reading plan from a website and the sets for each day had been determined years before I even started it for 2023. This is what I read immediately after praying in Habakkuk 2:2-3 "Record the vision, And inscribe it on tablets, That the one who reads it may run. For the vision is yet for the appointed time; It hastens toward the goal and it will not fail. Though it tarries, wait for it; For it will certainly come, it will not delay." I cannot help but think God had ordained that reading for today from the beginning of time so that when I prayed for His guidance on prophesying this very day, He had the answer in His Word in front of me immediately. I’ve walked with the Lord too long to believe that’s a coincidence. I’m now two days into writing this and prayed again before I read my Bible, “Lord, please one more time confirm this is what I should do.” And my daily Bible reading was this: Jeremiah 4:16 "Report it to the nations, now! Proclaim over Jerusalem, 'Besiegers come from a far country, And lift their voices against the cities of Judah.’” This is incredible considering the significance I will reveal later about what I wrote in my book 12 years ago concerning the Beast and what is happening in Israel now.

Link to the Bible reading plan to verify the truth and accuracy of what I’m saying:
https://bibleplan.org/plans/chronological-bible-in-a-year-dual-reading/
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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We already have him understood.

No sense trying to continue.
I have had contact with a few who were walking in the same realm.

This is really for the benefit of @GWH who asked what was the main issue about this thread. We just have to wait for Jon's input now.


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Here. My Facebook. Another prophetic dream fulfilled. Today is my birthday and Hassan Nasrallah has been targeted by Israel in Beirut over a month after a prophetic dream I had.

Posted on 8/6/2024

Had a dream the other night I forgot to write down.
A man was walking through my home, and he had a rifle pointed at the back of another man's head, forcing him to go wherever he wanted him too. He made the other man to leave my house, and I asked him why he was doing that. He said he was military, and it was war. I said, I understand that terrible things happen during war, but what is your purpose for doing so. Like, why are you doing these evil things.
He didn't give me an answer, but I then heard someone say, "Beirut."
That's all I remember.


Had a dream the other night I forgot to... - Jon Christian Minor | Facebook

Beirut today:

 

GWH

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Read his post #74: "This is the prophecy and the message the Lord revealed to me over 10 years ago and His Spirit has impressed upon me to share: In the Bible, in the book of Revelation, God talks about Mystery Babylon. America is Babylon. And God has raised up Russia to destroy Babylon (America) in divine judgment - COMPLETELY. After the destruction of America, the Great Tribulation Jesus warned about will begin."

Right off, I knew this was false. Babylon that the Bible speaks of is NOT the US. Also, he can extrapolate a guess from the newspaper headlines of today. Doesn't mean that Russia will actually attack and destroy the US though.


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Well, Babylon is described in Revelation 17:6 as drunk with the blood of the saints, which certainly doesn’t fit US yet although the Marxists among us are headed that way. And verse 18 says it rules over the kings of the earth, which is the goal of the Globalists and the Chinese Communist Party. Thus I am also skeptical of that assertion being a divinely inspired prophecy.
 

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How dare you show up and ask a reasonable question of the OP in this thread? You'll be branded a heretic and excommunicated for such an unspeakable act. There is no middle ground here, stranger. You're either with OP or against him, there is no two ways about it.

Sarcasm aside, the actual problem can be summed up in this: Our Lord Jesus Christ has called me to be a prophet. They don't believe that He has because it doesn't measure up to their standards of what a prophet is (they'll say I don't measure up to the Bible's standards, but hey, with 45,000 denominations of Christianity, there are so many standards to choose from!) At this point, nothing I say or do could convince them otherwise because then they'd have to humbly admit they were wrong, admit their theology was wrong, and admit that they treated their Brother in Christ wrong. God forbid! That would be like only having 44,999 denominations left to choose from.

Since you asked reasonably, I'll share with you an excerpt of my testimony that I've written elsewhere publicly (this was written almost exactly a year ago):

Take a look into my mind. I’ve known this for almost 20 years [about the destruction of America to come]. It’s always in the back of my thoughts. I’ve tried to share it everywhere I could: I wrote about it in apocalyptic prose in my book Beyond Millennium (I did so as an artform in tribute to John’s Revelation), I preached the message at church, I shared the sermons on Facebook, I made a website called bowandcrown.com to share my sermons and news updates leading to this, I shared it on internet forums, in Bible studies, on the street, in the homes of family and friends, and I sent it to many churches, famous preachers, and evangelists like Joyce Meyers and John Hagee. People ignore me and just think I’m crazy. And many Christians want to tell me how wrong I am: that America is not Babylon and Putin cannot be the “Antichrist” or Beast of Revelation. That there will be no nuclear war and how God wouldn’t allow such a thing to happen to America. They call me a false prophet and all sorts of other things. After my second divorce, I deleted many of the places I had posted about it online as I told the Lord I was done prophesying, but my actions did not change His plan for me. In fact, He used my divorce as a prophetic sign as detailed in my letter to Steve Upchurch which I’ll share. So, here I am, compiling all of it and declaring it again as the time is closer than it has ever been. And I’ve done my best to leave the original links unedited so you can see in my timestamps, I prophesied these things well before now - I didn’t just start talking about them because of current world events.

As a result of the slander and accusations I’ve faced, I’ve spent many times in prayer asking the Lord, “Am I a false prophet? Lord, tell me if I am so that I may repent. I don’t want to lead anyone astray. Everyone already thinks I’m crazy, it’ll be a relief to just confirm it, forget about it, and get on with living a normal life. I’ll humbly admit I was wrong and a liar and that perhaps I’m mentally ill with delusions or schizophrenia.” As a former mental health practitioner, I am well aware the things I believe the Lord has revealed to me sound like delusions of grandeur. I’m 100% cognizant of how people must perceive me when I share these things. When I was married and my children were with me, I felt a great heaviness for my (ex)wives and children when they had to go into public knowing people probably thought, “They live with Jon Minor who is crazy and thinks he’s a prophet. How embarrassing.” Or when I visit friends and go into public, how people must think of me. I imagine when people read this, they will think, “I work with that guy and he’s not that great” or “I went to school with Jon and used to party with him” or “I bought weed from that guy” or “I used to date Jon” (they probably won’t admit to that actually lol), or “Jon Minor has really went off the deep end as a religious nut.” People will talk about my endless list of failures and sins as if they know something about me that God doesn’t. One thing I’ve learned in growing in the Lord is this: God never approved of ANYONE’S sins - not even His most beloved servants. However, if He doesn’t use men who’ve sinned for His purposes, He wouldn’t have men to use. Jesus was the only perfect man. I’m just a guy God chose to use for this purpose. I’m no better than you and He doesn’t love me or respect me any more than He does you or anyone else. In fact, I hope this encourages you. If God could use such a lowly sinner and weak vessel as myself for this calling, how much more can He use someone like you! (If you’re jealous of me, please ask Him to carry my burden and let you be the prophet - it has cost me so much grief and sorrow and I’d be happy to have had a normal life.) I tried to live a normal life and keep up the facade of being a normal person, but the heaviness of the prophecy was greater than my humility because I knew the truth of it was from the Lord and the implications of it were too great to remain silent. But, pray as I might, I only found silence from the Holy Spirit when I would plead with Him about whether I’m a false prophet.

Again, I’m just a guy. Compared to the greatness of the Lord, we're nothing. Remember though, God loved us so much He sent His Son Jesus to die for us and that means we are everything to Him. He didn’t die for the angels, or the planet, or the heavens - He died for you and He died for me. All who accept our Lord Jesus Christ and praise Him and lift up His Name in this fallen world are His glory - we are His eternal trophies. So, while you may feel insignificant in this world, your worth is immeasurable to God.

Today, 10/17/2023, as I start writing this, I prayed to the Lord to show me what I should do about these prophecies. I prayed this specifically because, two days ago, I had decided I would write an accounting of being God’s prophet (see my Facebook 10/15/2023). After praying, I began my daily bible reading for our “read the Bible in a year” group. I got the reading plan from a website and the sets for each day had been determined years before I even started it for 2023. This is what I read immediately after praying in Habakkuk 2:2-3 "Record the vision, And inscribe it on tablets, That the one who reads it may run. For the vision is yet for the appointed time; It hastens toward the goal and it will not fail. Though it tarries, wait for it; For it will certainly come, it will not delay." I cannot help but think God had ordained that reading for today from the beginning of time so that when I prayed for His guidance on prophesying this very day, He had the answer in His Word in front of me immediately. I’ve walked with the Lord too long to believe that’s a coincidence. I’m now two days into writing this and prayed again before I read my Bible, “Lord, please one more time confirm this is what I should do.” And my daily Bible reading was this: Jeremiah 4:16 "Report it to the nations, now! Proclaim over Jerusalem, 'Besiegers come from a far country, And lift their voices against the cities of Judah.’” This is incredible considering the significance I will reveal later about what I wrote in my book 12 years ago concerning the Beast and what is happening in Israel now.

Link to the Bible reading plan to verify the truth and accuracy of what I’m saying:
https://bibleplan.org/plans/chronological-bible-in-a-year-dual-reading/
Thanks for explaining your side of the discussion. 2ndTimeIsTheCharm stated your post #74 asserted that Babylon in Revelation is America and that Russia will destroy it.

My evaluation of your claim is based on two observations: 1. Babylon is described in Revelation 17:6 as drunk with the blood of the saints, which certainly doesn’t fit US yet although the Marxists among us are headed that way. 2. Verse 18 says it rules over the kings of the earth, which hegemony has not been achieved by US yet, but it is the goal of the Globalists and the Chinese Communist Party.

Thus, I hope you can understand why I am skeptical that your assertion is divinely inspired prophecy.
 

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Here. My Facebook. Another prophetic dream fulfilled. Today is my birthday and Hassan Nasrallah has been targeted by Israel in Beirut over a month after a prophetic dream I had.

Posted on 8/6/2024

Had a dream the other night I forgot to write down.
A man was walking through my home, and he had a rifle pointed at the back of another man's head, forcing him to go wherever he wanted him too. He made the other man to leave my house, and I asked him why he was doing that. He said he was military, and it was war. I said, I understand that terrible things happen during war, but what is your purpose for doing so. Like, why are you doing these evil things.
He didn't give me an answer, but I then heard someone say, "Beirut."
That's all I remember.


Had a dream the other night I forgot to... - Jon Christian Minor | Facebook

I had a dream that I pulled out a gun and tried to shoot President Ford.
The gun jammed and failed to go off.
I then threw the gun down.

I had that dream just before its time to wake up.

That same afternoon on the radio...

It was on the news that Squeaky Fromme attempted to shoot president Ford.
But.... the gun failed to go off.

That day scared me deeply. I was in the process of working out my salvation in fear and trembling!

But! I am not a prophet!
 

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Okay, but what "prophecy" has jonchristian asserted that you find objectionable? And I would like jonchristian to state what assertion he thinks you object to. Then I might add my two cents.
It isn't any prophecy he has made that is the problem, it is the assertion he claims that God has called him to be a prophet because he has had some prophetic dreams.

Nebuchadnezzar had a prophetic dream, but no-one would say he is a prophet of God.

It has been argued from scripture that God no longer appoints apostles or prophets as their work is finished. We now have the completed scripture, all that God desires to tell us as His people and it is this that forms the foundation upon which we build.
 

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Can you expect anything less? Hezbollah started firing rockets into Israel before Israel even responded to the Gazan threat of October 7th.

They have fired almost 10,000 missiles into Israel in the past year. I'm amazed at the patience Israel displays.

You don't have to be a prophet to see the response of firing back.

If you let terrorist organizations take over, expect trouble.
 
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Can you expect anything less? Hezbollah started firing rockets into Israel before Israel even responded to the Gazan threat of October 7th.

They have fired almost 10,000 missiles into Israel in the past year. I'm amazed at the patience Israel displays.

You don't have to be a prophet to see the response of firing back.

If you let terrorist organizations take over, expect trouble.
This is the attitude that will be used to explain away anything the Lord gives me in prophecy.

Regardless of what the Lord gives me to share, you and others will just say, "Well, of course that was going to happen."

As I told the other guy on this thread, show me ONE PERSON who prophesied something happening in Beirut before me. Show me ONE PERSON who said Israel would bomb Beirut on my birthday and kill Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah. Then show me that person's prophetic dream from our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you understand yet? Does that not defy all coincidence?
I'm not aware of anyone who said those things would happen.

In this thread, I showed the evidence of the Lord sending me a dream of Israel being on the brink of civil war. Then it came to pass the next year due to their judicial reform situation. People then just dismiss that as, "Well, of course, things like that happen."
 
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It's strange that after eight years and 70 pages, people still think they're going to change my mind about my reality. Please, stop. Seriously.

If I say I'm not a prophet, then I will be a liar. I cannot do that.
 

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It's strange that after eight years and 70 pages, people still think they're going to change my mind about my reality. Please, stop. Seriously.
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As I told the other guy on this thread, show me ONE PERSON who prophesied something happening in Beirut before me. Show me ONE PERSON who said Israel would bomb Beirut on my birthday and kill Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah.
Umm, you didn't say that either. Only after the fact.
 

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This is the attitude that will be used to explain away anything the Lord gives me in prophecy.

Regardless of what the Lord gives me to share, you and others will just say, "Well, of course that was going to happen."

As I told the other guy on this thread, show me ONE PERSON who prophesied something happening in Beirut before me. Show me ONE PERSON who said Israel would bomb Beirut on my birthday and kill Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah. Then show me that person's prophetic dream from our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you understand yet? Does that not defy all coincidence?
I'm not aware of anyone who said those things would happen.

In this thread, I showed the evidence of the Lord sending me a dream of Israel being on the brink of civil war. Then it came to pass the next year due to their judicial reform situation. People then just dismiss that as, "Well, of course, things like that happen."
Don't you listen! Our argument is God no longer appoints prophets or apostles for that matter. Has nothing to do with what you may or may not say, dream or may not dream.

There are no prophets today. You have not been called to be a prophet.
 

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It's strange that after eight years and 70 pages, people still think they're going to change my mind about my reality. Please, stop. Seriously.

If I say I'm not a prophet, then I will be a liar. I cannot do that.
Your experience is not what determines reality. The word of God is the only reality. Anything that doesn't line up with His word is false.

If the word of God does not change your understanding of reality, no-one here can.

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
 

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It isn't any prophecy he has made that is the problem, it is the assertion he claims that God has called him to be a prophet because he has had some prophetic dreams.

Nebuchadnezzar had a prophetic dream, but no-one would say he is a prophet of God.

It has been argued from scripture that God no longer appoints apostles or prophets as their work is finished. We now have the completed scripture, all that God desires to tell us as His people and it is this that forms the foundation upon which we build.
Good point re King Neb. I agree with the view that the gift of prophecy meaning future-telling became Gospel-preaching with the writing of Revelation, but I hope it was helpful to point out to Jon that the US does not satisfy two biblical criteria for being Babylon in Revelation.
 
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Don't you listen! Our argument is God no longer appoints prophets or apostles for that matter. Has nothing to do with what you may or may not say, dream or may not dream.

There are no prophets today. You have not been called to be a prophet.
And yet, no matter how much anyone shows you that the New Testament had prophets and the gift of prophesying, you deny it. You literally deny what the Scriptures say. Acts 11:27-28. Agabus was a prophet. It's really that simple to understand.
 
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