What Changed?

I do, if by total depravity one means every facet of man.
The problem with discussing such things is often found in the terminology applied and the different definitions each applies.
It would be better either to use biblical terminology or give definitions before a discussion.
Another problem that arises is the insistence upon labels.

That's exactly what you did with passages like Jer 17:9 and/or Isa 1:5-6 because these passages strongly support the biblical doctrine of Total Depravity. You basically accused me of interpreting them out of context by saying that those passages only applied to apostate, rebellious Israel, thereby clearly implying that the entire non-covenant pagan world was more righteous than Israel! I countered your allegations by pointing to the antediluvian world and asking if the people at that time, whose "thoughts and intentions of their hearts were continually evil" were more righteous than Israel? Is that why God destroyed virtually the entire human race -- because the antediluvians were more righteous, more spiritual than Israel? The pagans were less hostile toward their Creator? I also recall appealing to the postdiluvian world with Ps 2: 1-6, since the entire world is at enmity with God.

And even more recently you most certainly tried to "cull" Job's unflattering words about the human race by totally discrediting him, clearly implying that Job's words could not be trusted by citing Job 38:2 Yet, not even God went to that extreme when he spoke of his faithful servant (Job 42:7). So, in order to discredit Job, you interpreted 38:2 out of its larger context.

It seems that you have a selectively short memory as well.

No. You do not believe that men are totslly depraved.

Totally:
completely; absolutely.
"the building was totally destroyed by the fire"

Depraved:
morally corrupt; wicked.

You believe every facet of man is imperfect; not that every face of man is absolutely completely morally corrupt/depraved/evil/icked.

I rest my case. I believe the totality of man was corrupted by sin. I also believe his nature has been corrupted to the point where he is slave to his fallen nature and unable to do anything "good" as God defines good.

No! Total Depravity would leave God with powerless, helpless people to save, such as the Israelites in Egypt whom God RESCUED from the hopeless environment of slavery.

I rest my case. I believe the totality of man was corrupted by sin. I also believe his nature has been corrupted to the point where he is slave to his fallen nature and unable to do anything "good" as God defines good.

You are just not getting what was said.

If you were totally depraved?
What could God save of you?

For some reason...
It's only our soul He saves.
Not our body.
Can you figure out why that is?

There is a divine logic behind it.

Our souls are not innately depraved.
They end up being as depraved, because until Grace jumps in the soul is enslaved to the flesh.
It's in the flesh where man's depravity has it's roots.



Paul differentiated between his flesh, and his real self (his soul).


In Christ ...............

You are alot like him...neither of you believe anyone can understand anything that is different from what you believe.

People somehow completely fail to grasp what it means to have one's heart circumcised...

Limited Atonement
Omni-faceted Imperfection
Unnconditional Election
Perseveranc eof the Saints
Irresistible Grace

No one actually believes in Total Depravity.

You believe God decreed from eternity past that Israel would rebel and spend 40 years being culled of an almost an entire generation and there was nothing the Israelites could do to change God's decree. You are being so dishonest here,

PaulThomson said:
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. Show one example of me culling a scripture. Disagreeing with your interpretation of a scripture and offering an alternative contextualised interpretation, is not "culling" it.



Cull:
reduce the population of (a wild animal) by selective slaughter.
"he sees culling deer as a necessity".

You cited verses from Jeremiah out of context. I added context and justified a different interpretation from yours. That is not "culling".

I added chapters of context around Job 38:2. You are being very dishonest to say I interpreted it out of its larger context.

You are alot like him...neither of you believe anyone can understand anything that is different from what you believe.

If one has truth, that's the way it will always look....

That's one scenario. Another is if one is proud you will find the same.

That's one scenario. Another is if one is proud you will find the same.

For someone who condemns it openly...

You sure do a lot of judging.

And you receive alot. Doesn't judgment come back to those who judge?
Your discernment is poor, and you lack self awareness of your shortcomings. This is a symptom of pride.

Have peace..... No sense arguing with someone who wants to.

I have both peace and joy. It was you who responded to my post. I don't address you first anymore. There's a reason for it.
Grace and peace.

You have done what you are doing to me also to others as well.

Its how you get triggered....