Preparation for the tribulation.

That's okay too if you don't want to watch anything from me. I'm glad that you already know all about the terrible things that will happen in the last 7 years of this age. That way, you won't be completely surprised about all the horrible things to expect, including that strong delusion you mentioned, when you realize you're still here and the Lord won't be collecting us until after the 7 years are up.

I do have to admit that I'm extremely interested in how pre-tribbers are dealing with each passing day getting closer to the last 7 years of this age and still being here. I see a lot of them claim that they can feel God is going to make it happen soon, when that's not what the Bible says. I'm like, 😬!

I know it will be different for each pre-tribber but sooner or later, one-by-one, they're going to realize that this teaching is false. There will definitely be a whole variety of different ways they will deal with this, but I am praying that ultimately they recover quickly and ask God to help them endure to the end.


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You know, for a Christian being martyred is not a terrible thing. It's actually quite an honor.

How about you? Are you looking forward to being martyred?


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You know, for a Christian being martyred is not a terrible thing. It's actually quite an honor.

How about you? Are you looking forward to being martyred?


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Quote for me a postrib rapture verse.

Are you aware that the postrib doctrine openly declares "only one coming"?

....and rightly so. Their ENTIRE theory falls apart if there is more than one.

Read matthew 24.
2 comings VIVIDLY DECLAED BY JESUS.

READ REV 14.
I that chapter there are 3 gatherings.
None of those three gatherings is the main rapture, main harvest of 1 thes 4.
Postrib Doctrine is based on "condemnation prior to investigation"

How can anyone read the 3 comings of Jesus in the word of God, and refute the Bible honestly????????

I'm building a time machine so I can go back in time and experience it.

Isn't it truly insane how far reaching this idea of a pre-trib rapture and all these things from Revelation and Mat. 24, being future to us has embedded itself into the church? I know why they believe it, their most respected leaders and teachers have taught it for a couple generations and the tradition runs so deep. Heck it's what I heard my whole life and is the dominant belief ALL around me, so I get it. Heck it was God that lead me to seeing it a different way, and seeing how well it fit the text, and how mangled you have to make it and how much you have to bring to the text to get anything even resembling the whole future pre-trib viewpoint.

I know they don't see it like this, obviously, but the first and biggest problem I see with the view now is what I've come to call the "3rd temple dilemma". It's pretty simple really. Before I started asking this at least, most Christians would agree that scripture is closed. That Jesus was the fulfillment of everything the Prophets spoke of and the way to true reconciliation with God could be made real through His son Jesus. ONLY through Jesus. So we are not waiting on any more "revelation" from God. It was finished with Jesus and then the birth of the church. That happens at the end of the Mosaic age. This is when judgement falls on the covenant breakers. God didn't break covenant, as He is perfect in everything, but the Jews did. The very same Jews that yelled "His blood be on our head, and the heads of our children." The same Jews that Jesus looked in the eyes and said "Truly, Truly, I say to "YOU" "THIS generation" will not pass away before "ALL" these things take place". Those were the ones He was saying judgement was coming to. Soon.

Anyway, I had always heard that scripture was closed so any of these self proclaimed "new prophets" pop up, like Joseph Smith, or Mohammed, that these are false prophets and we need not fear them or heed their words. I never heard any debate on this. But that presents a HUGE problem in my mind. God did not command us to build a new temple anywhere in scripture I see.

So in scripture we see the anti-Christ standing in the "Holy Place", in Gods temple. I never heard any debate about this being "Gods Temple" either. But even if the Jews decide to build a fancy place and call it "the Temple of God", this does NOT make it a "Gods temple". This would not be a "Holy Place", and there is no where that God commanded this "3rd temple" be build as He did the first two, so this is a summery of the "3rd temple dilemma".

This is just a HUGE roadblock on a road of dead ends concerning the pre-trib, future to us, viewpoint. But for the sake of argument lets say God does command this temple be rebuilt. Why? It's whole purpose was to point to Jesus, and Jesus is here and the ONLY WAY. To rebuild the temple is a slap in the face to Jesus. Do they think God would do this? Go backwards and be so confusing? Anyway this is a DEEP well and this little drop at the very beginning derails the whole thing for me.

Jesus is on His throne now, today, with ALL authority in heaven and on earth, and He must reign until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet, we are to therefore go and make disciples of ALL nations. We are to claim this world for His glory, not wait around enduring the beatdown until Jesus comes and does it. He already did it, and if you are born again, then you are how He is putting everything under His feet.

Isn't it truly insane how far reaching this idea of a pre-trib rapture and all these things from Revelation and Mat. 24, being future to us has embedded itself into the church? I know why they believe it, their most respected leaders and teachers have taught it for a couple generations and the tradition runs so deep. Heck it's what I heard my whole life and is the dominant belief ALL around me, so I get it. Heck it was God that lead me to seeing it a different way, and seeing how well it fit the text, and how mangled you have to make it and how much you have to bring to the text to get anything even resembling the whole future pre-trib viewpoint.

I know they don't see it like this, obviously, but the first and biggest problem I see with the view now is what I've come to call the "3rd temple dilemma". It's pretty simple really. Before I started asking this at least, most Christians would agree that scripture is closed. That Jesus was the fulfillment of everything the Prophets spoke of and the way to true reconciliation with God could be made real through His son Jesus. ONLY through Jesus. So we are not waiting on any more "revelation" from God. It was finished with Jesus and then the birth of the church. That happens at the end of the Mosaic age. This is when judgement falls on the covenant breakers. God didn't break covenant, as He is perfect in everything, but the Jews did. The very same Jews that yelled "His blood be on our head, and the heads of our children." The same Jews that Jesus looked in the eyes and said "Truly, Truly, I say to "YOU" "THIS generation" will not pass away before "ALL" these things take place". Those were the ones He was saying judgement was coming to. Soon.

Anyway, I had always heard that scripture was closed so any of these self proclaimed "new prophets" pop up, like Joseph Smith, or Mohammed, that these are false prophets and we need not fear them or heed their words. I never heard any debate on this. But that presents a HUGE problem in my mind. God did not command us to build a new temple anywhere in scripture I see.

So in scripture we see the anti-Christ standing in the "Holy Place", in Gods temple. I never heard any debate about this being "Gods Temple" either. But even if the Jews decide to build a fancy place and call it "the Temple of God", this does NOT make it a "Gods temple". This would not be a "Holy Place", and there is no where that God commanded this "3rd temple" be build as He did the first two, so this is a summery of the "3rd temple dilemma".

This is just a HUGE roadblock on a road of dead ends concerning the pre-trib, future to us, viewpoint. But for the sake of argument lets say God does command this temple be rebuilt. Why? It's whole purpose was to point to Jesus, and Jesus is here and the ONLY WAY. To rebuild the temple is a slap in the face to Jesus. Do they think God would do this? Go backwards and be so confusing? Anyway this is a DEEP well and this little drop at the very beginning derails the whole thing for me.

Jesus is on His throne now, today, with ALL authority in heaven and on earth, and He must reign until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet, we are to therefore go and make disciples of ALL nations. We are to claim this world for His glory, not wait around enduring the beatdown until Jesus comes and does it. He already did it, and if you are born again, then you are how He is putting everything under His feet.

I think it was excellent. I was a little bit iffy on the temple bit. but I'd like to keep my mind open.
Thank you for sharing

Has anybody done any preparation?? do you think it's necessary??
I have thought about it a hell of a lot. and I have done some preparation for the war. You know, after the big war things get expensive. The supermarket shelves become empty because people start to panic. So I've done some preparation for that. Um, the power going off. I've done some preparation for that. But nothing regarding the tribulation. The last three and a half years. But I'm going to do something.

What about anybody else? have they thought about it, or done something? love to know.

Because that's not in the Bible.

I just watch pre-tribbers waiting and waiting and waiting for the Lord to come pick them up, while each passing day brings us closer to the great tribulation.

According to the Bible, I can confidently say you'll all still be here when the antichrist is revealed and the mark of the beast will be enforced soon after. This is why I don't bother arguing - the event itself will prove you wrong.

So build up your faith, listen to the Lord if He has specific instructions for you on surviving this worst time ever and endure to the end. Remember, being beheaded for the Lord is not the worst thing to happen.


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This video talks about (supposedly) Bible prophecies that the Dome of the Rock will be destroyed. *Shrug* I don't know if this is true but we'll see.

So if this happens, then it's quite possible to have the third temple built so the Jews can restart the daily sacrifices and so that the antichrist can desecrate it later.




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Isn't it truly insane how far reaching this idea of a pre-trib rapture and all these things from Revelation and Mat. 24, being future to us has embedded itself into the church? I know why they believe it, their most respected leaders and teachers have taught it for a couple generations and the tradition runs so deep. Heck it's what I heard my whole life and is the dominant belief ALL around me, so I get it. Heck it was God that lead me to seeing it a different way, and seeing how well it fit the text, and how mangled you have to make it and how much you have to bring to the text to get anything even resembling the whole future pre-trib viewpoint.

I know they don't see it like this, obviously, but the first and biggest problem I see with the view now is what I've come to call the "3rd temple dilemma". It's pretty simple really. Before I started asking this at least, most Christians would agree that scripture is closed. That Jesus was the fulfillment of everything the Prophets spoke of and the way to true reconciliation with God could be made real through His son Jesus. ONLY through Jesus. So we are not waiting on any more "revelation" from God. It was finished with Jesus and then the birth of the church. That happens at the end of the Mosaic age. This is when judgement falls on the covenant breakers. God didn't break covenant, as He is perfect in everything, but the Jews did. The very same Jews that yelled "His blood be on our head, and the heads of our children." The same Jews that Jesus looked in the eyes and said "Truly, Truly, I say to "YOU" "THIS generation" will not pass away before "ALL" these things take place". Those were the ones He was saying judgement was coming to. Soon.

Anyway, I had always heard that scripture was closed so any of these self proclaimed "new prophets" pop up, like Joseph Smith, or Mohammed, that these are false prophets and we need not fear them or heed their words. I never heard any debate on this. But that presents a HUGE problem in my mind. God did not command us to build a new temple anywhere in scripture I see.

So in scripture we see the anti-Christ standing in the "Holy Place", in Gods temple. I never heard any debate about this being "Gods Temple" either. But even if the Jews decide to build a fancy place and call it "the Temple of God", this does NOT make it a "Gods temple". This would not be a "Holy Place", and there is no where that God commanded this "3rd temple" be build as He did the first two, so this is a summery of the "3rd temple dilemma".

This is just a HUGE roadblock on a road of dead ends concerning the pre-trib, future to us, viewpoint. But for the sake of argument lets say God does command this temple be rebuilt. Why? It's whole purpose was to point to Jesus, and Jesus is here and the ONLY WAY. To rebuild the temple is a slap in the face to Jesus. Do they think God would do this? Go backwards and be so confusing? Anyway this is a DEEP well and this little drop at the very beginning derails the whole thing for me.

Jesus is on His throne now, today, with ALL authority in heaven and on earth, and He must reign until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet, we are to therefore go and make disciples of ALL nations. We are to claim this world for His glory, not wait around enduring the beatdown until Jesus comes and does it. He already did it, and if you are born again, then you are how He is putting everything under His feet.

Has anybody done any preparation?? do you think it's necessary??
I have thought about it a hell of a lot. and I have done some preparation for the war. You know, after the big war things get expensive. The supermarket shelves become empty because people start to panic. So I've done some preparation for that. Um, the power going off. I've done some preparation for that. But nothing regarding the tribulation. The last three and a half years. But I'm going to do something.

What about anybody else? have they thought about it, or done something? love to know.

Yes, I have. I believe in a pre tribulation rapture, but I also believe that 80% of the believers will go through the tribulation. So whether or not I get raptured it makes sense to prepare. The most important item on my list is bibles as I believe the antichrist will control the internet and censor and change the bible online.

What Scripture do you base your 20/80% on?

Because that's not in the Bible.

I just watch pre-tribbers waiting and waiting and waiting for the Lord to come pick them up, while each passing day brings us closer to the great tribulation.

According to the Bible, I can confidently say you'll all still be here when the antichrist is revealed and the mark of the beast will be enforced soon after. This is why I don't bother arguing - the event itself will prove you wrong.

So build up your faith, listen to the Lord if He has specific instructions for you on surviving this worst time ever and endure to the end. Remember, being beheaded for the Lord is not the worst thing to happen.


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This video talks about (supposedly) Bible prophecies that the Dome of the Rock will be destroyed. *Shrug* I don't know if this is true but we'll see.

So if this happens, then it's quite possible to have the third temple built so the Jews can restart the daily sacrifices and so that the antichrist can desecrate it later.




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2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Are you sure you've got the right two verses?