the Sabbath

but I guess Paul and the apostles were not of the new creation in your definition either as they also kept faithfully every Sabbath. Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4

No one is saying that except you. Also, no one is divorcing the 10 Commandments from the Law except you. Everything given at Sinai was for the people at Sinai, not for Abraham or any of the patriarchs.

Didn't everyone die under the old covenant?

Aaron says:



Jesus said:

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.


21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.


Jesus in His own Words said - WHOEVER breaks the least of these commandments and teaches them will be least in heaven and according to the next verse v20 means one won't be there and then goes on to quote directly from the commandments He is referring to saying not to break the least of these quoting right from the Ten Commandments. Not only does He literally not want us to break these commandments, He doesn't even want us to have thoughts that lead to breaking them as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement.

I will stick with what Jesus taught and what He practiced, because I know He will only lead us back to the narrow path of reconciliation Rev 22:14

Aaron says:



Jesus said:

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.


21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.


Jesus in His own Words said - WHOEVER breaks the least of these commandments and teaches them will be least in heaven and according to the next verse v20 means one won't be there and then goes on to quote directly from the commandments He is referring to saying not to break the least of these quoting right from the Ten Commandments. Not only does He literally not want us to break these commandments, He doesn't even want us to have thoughts that lead to breaking them as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement.

I will stick with what Jesus taught and what He practiced, because I know He will only lead us back to the narrow path of reconciliation Rev 22:14

Yessir! They could not be freed from death until Christ preached to them in prison.

"..and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

I wonder why someone would choose such a course seeing how it ends so poorly?

Great examples of how even before His death and resurrection, Jesus represented a greater economy than the Law at Sinai. Even so, He was under the Law until His death.
After His death and resurrection, all men could reckon themselves dead in Christ and, therefore, dead to the law. Then, given the Spirit of God as a conscience, they could be led moment by moment by the Spirit.

"Those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."

You still don't get it. I never argue against scripture; only what I believe is a misunderstanding of them. And you continue to be disingenuous because of the way you frame my arguments. For example, in this post you insinuate that I haven't but should have made a biblical argument against scripture.
What I have shown is the Sabbath and the rest found in Christ. This means the former is a picture of what was to come with Christ. To understand and actually keep the commandment, one must have had in view the rest in Christ.

No one is being led by the Spirit by breaking the commandments as Jesus taught so plainly.

No one is being led by the Spirit by breaking the commandments as Jesus taught so plainly. Jesus was not teaching one can literally murder or literally commit adultery, He doesn't even want us to have thoughts that lead to this, that's how much He doesn't want us to break the least of these commandments.

No one is walking in God's Spirit by breaking God's law. This is not a doctrine of scripture, but a deception.. Jesus said its a path thats leads to a ditch Mat 15:3-14

No one is teaching this.

Free from Sinai Law does not mean lawlessness. In Christ, we are under a different Law:

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

THIS Law existed before the world was formed.



Until His death, the Sinai law was in effect over Jesus. Once He died, the Sinai law had no more bearing on His life.

They love their sin.

Unfortunately, they are likely simply lost. They base their religious success on how well they self evaluate their own obedience. Outward conformity by acts of the will according to a human standard are substituted for an inward conformity of a new heart conformed to the standard of Christ.
So...we pray.

You can believe that Jesus lived under the "old covenant" that has vanished and gone away and all of His teachings and following His example would automatically vanish as well. I can see why this would be a popular teaching for those so desperately trying to get rid of the Sabbath, that is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 and people would rather throw out the other 9 commandments then keep the one God said Remember, now we have to throw out Jesus being our example, because Jesus kept the Sabbath- basically the devil really takes issue with God Sabbath and has taught millions if not billions we don't need to keep, or it can be edited to suit our own lifestyle.

Mans condemnation means nothing to be, it actually recharges my faith because we were told the commandment keeping people would be persecuted Rev 12:17 Mat 10:22 so thank you.

That said, if interested in looking at the scriptures to see what His word teaches lets take a look.

Jesus was born under the law Galatians 4:4 Jesus was born human under the law, just as Mary, just as us and this means under the condemnation of the law. The wages of sin is death Rom 6:23. The curse is still there, but Jesus gave us another option, to die of self, and live for Him, which means following the example He left for us. He is the only one who has been able to keep the law without sin, and if we are right with Christ, abide in His love and follow Him, He will impute His righteousness, because we have none.

Had Jesus not been born under the penalty of the law and sinned just once, He could have not been our Savior and all of humanity would be lost.

But, Jesus did not fail. While He was tempted, just as we are He was without sin

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

The New Testament means New Covenant

Jesus was the Mediator of the New Covenant so lived in the New Covenant, not the Old.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

His death ratified His covenant- It Is Finished John 19:30

Meaning nothing can be added or changed to His covenant.

The Sabbath rest after His death, is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56

God said in the commandment the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo:10

The author of Hebrews didn't change the Sabbath 40 decades after Christ death as many try to read into that passage. This passage supports what God said and one would have to understand the story of Joshus and David in the OT to understand fully this passage. If anyone interested in going verse by verse with me on it, I would be happy to go through it and study together. But changing God's Sabbath or any of the God's commandments goes against what Jesus taught. And while many believe what He taught and how He lived was for other people, its not what Jesus said

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Sadly, people think they can skip all of His teachings, all of His sanctification and just be in Christ, but it doesn't work like that.

Jesus said:
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

No one is walking in harmony with Jesus in His Spirit by not loving Him and disobeying His commandments. And His commandments are His version, what He wrote and what He spoke and if we believe in Him, we would believe in His teachings and follow His example.

How do we abide in Jesus?
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love,
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

So lets not deceive ourselves, if we abide in Christ, we will keep His commandments and follow the example He left for us.

Jesus kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath and He said follow Me, not to follow man, that path leads to a ditch Mat 15:3-14

If we believe in Jesus, we would believe His teaching such as

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’

This is Jesus quoting Old Testament- so despite the teachings of many, Jesus puts all the Glory of what God said, not to just "hear" but to live by i.e. do.

Exodus 20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I say we have faith in Jesus in what He taught, how He lived. He is the way, will only lead us down the narrow path back to reconciliation Isa 56:1-6 Rev 22:14

Their evaluation of self leaves much to be desired when they teach commandment-keeping while breaking them so often themselves.

I believe Jesus had a word for that, and much condemnation for those who practice such behaviour.

PS~ I have restarted my browser afresh (not restoring last session) because I was getting an error message
that would not go away even after closing many of my pixabay pages, and that also meant, before starting
afresh, that I could give no reactions to anybody's posts (while in Edge) and for that I apologize to all.

That does it. I'm not writing anything good if I can't be affirmed.

Galatians 5:4.."You who are trying to be justified by the Law have been Alienated from Christ, You have fallen away from Grace"..

There are lots of laws in scripture, which law is Paul referring to in Galatians.