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John 14:1-3 Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.
I forgot I had made more minor adjustments/edits, this time to the top portions of
her hair to make it less green/cyan. So this version has never been posted before.
Most people may not even notice such things, but I do.
 

Magenta

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Psalm 14:1-3; Job 15:16
Another using an Art Spark AI woman, though she is constructed from a number of parts, starting with this woman:



I think she may be a younger version of his wife, but I'm just guessing at that given the number of images
he has generated of her at different ages. I did make her dress more modest in two areas (chest and crotch),
and changed her face as well (using the first image below), and then gave the new face different eyes also
(from the second face below). All of that was done after putting her on a new background, which I did not
do a lot to change, except I did add the wooden bridge, which I had saved many years ago. I used to spend
a lot of time constructing the backgrounds, but then they get covered up with the figure and text so it seems
a bit like wasted time, although I do still spend some of that time depending on what the BG starts out like.
I believe he has used himself as a model in some of his AI art as well, and so I have who I believe to be him
in a few of my collages also, and I posted one of them earlier, the one about those born of the slave woman
and the free woman, though again I am just guessing, and the pic on his profile page looks quite different,
but that could be him at any age... or even not him at all. I have been playing around in PS for over 20 years.




This may be him as a younger man him (though I have altered him slightly = the eyes) and put him on a BG:

 

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That is what he looked like before I blended new eyes into his face, but I did take the eyes from this
young man and used them on the face of the older man panel I mentioned about slave and free woman.
I am doing with these images exactly what they are offered up freely for. That ends today's lesson
.:)
 

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I spend a lot of time dealing with an array of different churches.

Each church organization has there own bag of doctrine, their own interpretation.

That's why the debates are never ending.

No one want's to boast in Christ.

It seems the crucifixion and the resurrection of Jesus are not enough for most.
Those in Christ are his true church .
God is not contained in structures built by man.
 

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The truth is that the angel of the Lord spoke to Moses shown below.

Exodus 3:2
Then the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked,
and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not being consumed.

This same angel first spoke the law to Moses and Israel.

Exodus 20:1-2
Then God spoke all these words, saying;
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt...

Two points here, God spoke through the angel of the Lord and the angel spoke the ten
commandments to Moses first. The tablets of stone came later.

Jesus was not incarnate at Mt Sinai or at the burning bush.

So Paul is correct in that it was the angel of the Lord which is Christ.

Exo 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

An angel would not have said he is GOD, the one who tried to do this, well we all know what happened.
 

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1Corinthians 2 tells us it won't help the natural minds posting here. Not ever.
I wonder if MF treats people like this in real life if they disagree with her. It's sad that she thinks she's the spiritual one while she rejects Christ as the fulfillment of the Sabbath.
 
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Oh yay... yet another misguided Sabbatarian spreading the false gospel of law-adherence.


Really? Where is that in Scripture? Oh... it isn't.

The ten commandments were not given until the Israelites were at Sinai, about 2700 years after creation. Nowhere in Scripture is it suggested that they were "with God" prior to that.


Wrong. The ten commandments are part of the Sinai covenant.


The text does not tell us that the Gentiles "kept" the Sabbath; indeed, doing so would require them to make blood sacrifices, which they are forbidden from doing. The text merely tells us that they were in certain places on the Sabbath. Don't make unwarranted assumptions.
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The Ten Commandments have been with God from Creation and will be with us on the New Earth "... and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship me, saith the Lord." (Isaiah 66:23) Moses did not write the ten Commandments; they were given to him by God. The Ten Commandments are not part of the Law of Moses or any part of the old Mosaic Law. "Do not think that I come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matt 5:17) The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the NT alone and all have to do with the 7th day Sabbath but on which refences an annual Sabbath. God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27). Jesus kept it (Luke 4:16), Paul kept it (Acts 17:2), and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13) Several of the Ten Commandments are mentioned throughout the New Testament. God only set one day apart from the rest and blessed it, sanctified it and blessed it and that would be the 7th day of the week not the first.
WRONG! Deuteronomy 5:2-3, Moses is renewing the 10 commandments with Israel and he says, that God gave them this covenant in Horeb (Mount Sinai). He said God did NOT give these commandments to their fathers ( past) but to all of them who are alive there that day! That’s Israel. He gave the 10 commandments only to Israel. They were not given to anyone before Moses received them on The mountain in Exodus 20 and they were not given to gentiles—only Israel.
 

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Moses wrote it in Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21. The people didn't have stone tablets; they had scrolls originally written by Moses
Scrolls "originally" written by Moses? Where is that in Scripture?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten...cal Hebrew,and Mesopotamian laws and treaties.

The Ten Commandments (Biblical Hebrew: עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדְּבָרִים‎, romanized: ʿĂsereṯ haDəḇārīm, lit. 'The Ten Words'), or the Decalogue (from Latin decalogus, from Ancient Greek δεκάλογος, dekálogos, lit. 'ten words'), are religious and ethical directives, structured as a covenant document, that, according to the Hebrew Bible, are given by YHWH to Moses. The text of the Ten Commandments was dynamic in ancient Israel and appears in three markedly distinct versions in the Bible:[1] at Exodus 20:2–17, Deuteronomy 5:6–21, and the "Ritual Decalogue" of Exodus 34:11–26.
 

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Exo 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

An angel would not have said he is GOD, the one who tried to do this, well we all know what happened.
So your saying that the following verse is incorrect.

Exodus 3:2
Then the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked,
and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not being consumed.
 

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Why did you study the word if you didn't need to be told.

The word is a light......

All scripture is given .....
2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible is a guild and the law is part of the Bible.

The only part God wrote Himself.
He didn't trust us to write it.

But people think it isn't important today.
If we were instantly perfected, we would not need the Bible as we have the Living Word within. We are not instantly perfect. We also have a vicious, intelligent enemy who has studied Christians for 2,000 years. He knows the kinds of things that Christians fall for. You know, things like dead religion, universal reconciliation, legalism, lying signs and wonders such as the Toronto Blessing and entertainment masquerading as "worship". We need to discern according to God's word. When my pastor started to condemn the congregation, I knew in my spirit that there was something wrong. So I looked into God's word. My spirit man knew that there was error, but I did not know exactly what. The Bible made it clear to me.

The Bible is not a handbook for living. If it was, all we'd need is the Bible and Jesus died for nothing. Why did God not simply continue the temple sacrifices? That was good enough for Israel for forgiveness of sin. But it does not change the heart of man, and that is the problem. People sin because they are sinners by nature, even the very best.

Knowing the Law condemns. It has no ability to save. If you are depending on how well you obey the Law to please God, you are fooling yourself.
 
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Scrolls "originally" written by Moses? Where is that in Scripture?
And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. Exodus 24:4
And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel. Deuteronomy 31:9
 

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So your saying that the following verse is incorrect.

Exodus 3:2
Then the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked,
and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not being consumed.
There is more:
[Exo 3:4-6 KJV] 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here [am] I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
 
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Once again:
[Exo 32:16 KJV] 16 And the tables [were] the work of God, and the writing [was] the writing of God, graven upon the tables.
Thats right and we are told there was no more added to God's Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Sad man thinks they know better than God to add or alter to what God personally wrote.

There is a law that is perfect for converting the soul

Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

Written by the finger of God Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

There is another law that was contrary and against that was added for transgressing God's law 1 John 3:4- His Ten Commandments.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

And unless we understand the differences of these two sets of laws, one will never understand the NT. One law personally written by our Perfect Savior that is behind the principles of the entire Bible- how to love God, how to love man and that is holy, just and good Rom 7:12 and eternal Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19 never becomes the law that is we keep have fallen from grace and is contrary and against.

Its really just common sense, but its also spelled out.

Sadly people do not want to come to light just as the scriptures tell us. John 3:18-21 Rom 8:7-8 2 Thess 2:11

Our time is drawing short on this earth, God is calling us out of our false teachings Rev 18:4 All of God's commandments are Truth- come to the light before its too late.
 
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If we were instantly perfected, we would not need the Bible as we have the Living Word within. We are not instantly perfect. We also have a vicious, intelligent enemy who has studied Christians for 2,000 years. He knows the kinds of things that Christians fall for. You know, things like dead religion, universal reconciliation, legalism, lying signs and wonders such as the Toronto Blessing and entertainment masquerading as "worship". We need to discern according to God's word. When my pastor started to condemn the congregation, I knew in my spirit that there was something wrong. So I looked into God's word. My spirit man knew that there was error, but I did not know exactly what. The Bible made it clear to me.

The Bible is not a handbook for living. If it was, all we'd need is the Bible and Jesus died for nothing. Why did God not simply continue the temple sacrifices? That was good enough for Israel for forgiveness of sin. But it does not change the heart of man, and that is the problem. People sin because they are sinners by nature, even the very best.

Knowing the Law condemns. It has no ability to save. If you are depending on how well you obey the Law to please God, you are fooling yourself.
Jesus ended the temple sacrifices because....the bible tells us.....

The blood of animals could never forgive sins. It was just a placeholder always pointing forward the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for sins.

Heb 9:10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various [b]washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things [c]to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, [d]sanctifies for the [e]purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without [f]spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


Heb 10:1 For the law (of sacrifices), having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Jesus did not come to take away the law that defines sin, the Ten Commandments 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:18-30 so we can just sin freely - free to worship other gods, free to vain God's holy name, bow to idols, break His holy Sabbath day, free to murder, covet, steal or break the least of these commandments. Its really just common sense.

The wages of sin is death. Christ paid our penalty that we deserve for breaking God's law. We are living under grace because we have all sinned. In order to accept this free gift of grace, does that mean we are free sin and break God's law?
What dies scripture say so clearly?

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Walking in newness of life IS keeping His commandments


Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

God gave His law because He is not only God, He is our King. And every King has a kingdom and every kingdom has laws, just as God does. God did not leave it to man to write His holy and eternal law, He wrote it with His own finger- who has more Authority than God? His law is perfect for converting our soul, so if we love Jesus and have faith in what He asks we would keep His commandments.

He doesn't make us do it alone but it requires our cooperation

John 14:15 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

The earthy temple and the animal sacrifices all ended at the Cross Col 2:14, Eph 2:15 Heb 9:10 because they pointed to a new way to forgive our sins through Jesus, not the law the defines sin that God wrote and is Perfect that shows us how to love God 1 John 5:3 and man 1 John 5:2 Rom 13:9 the Ten Commandments.

The Ten Commandments including the Sabbath was kept decades after the cross just as Jesus indicated Mat 24:20

Sacrifices are not connected to the Sabbath, the Sabbath started at Creation it was God's perfect plan before the fall Exo 20:11 and points to our Creator Exo 20:11 because God never wants us to forget Who created us and where we come from. Its the other spirit telling us to forget the opposite of what God said.
 
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So how much of Jesus' deeds, actions and life should we follow?
Jesus lived as a Jew. He kept the commandments under that old law, but He brought a NEW law that replaced the old Jewish law. This is taught in many epistles in the New Testament. The old Jewish law separated the Jew from the gentile. But in Ephesians 2, Paul wrote that Christ “broke down” that middle wall of partition” that separated Jew and Gentile, “so as to CREATE one new man from the two ( Jew and gentile), thus making peace, that He might reconcile them BOTH to God in one body ( the church), through His cross. The reference to the cross here is significant because Colossians 2:14, says He took those old “handwritten ordinances” out of the way, nailing them to His cross. To understand this, it’s like a man today who writes a will. His will does not come into effect until he dies. And this is exactly what Hebrews 9:16-17 says about the last will and testament of Jesus Christ ( New Testament). “For where there is a will, there must first be the death of the testator. For a will is of no force as long as the testator lives.
This tells us WHEN the new law of Christ or of “Faith” as it is called in Galations, cane into effect— when Jesus died on the cross.

Christ changed the law—Hebrews 7:12

He took the old law out of the way (first testament), so He could replace it with a new law ( second testament), Hebrews 10:9

He made the Old Testament “OBSOLETE”. Niw that which is old and obsolete is ready to VANISH AWAY!” Hebrews 8:13.

And many other such scriptures in the book of Hebrews. The whole book of Hebrews is all about how Christ and His NEW law is better than the old Jewish law.
Christ is better than Moses.
Christ blood is better than the blood of
Bulls and goats.
The priesthood of Christ is better than the
Levitical priesthood.
The New covenant is better than the old
Covenant. And on and on.

So, to answer your question—you should follow Jesus and His NEW law of faith. He would not have you follow Him as a Jew. He was required to live and follow that old law as long as He was alive—He was BIRN into it; BUT, He died to create “one new man—Jew and gentile together in one church. One flock, one fold, one people—Christian’s.
 
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Jesus lived as a Jew. He kept the commandments under that old law, but He brought a NEW law that replaced the old Jewish law. This is taught in many epistles in the New Testament. The old Jewish law separated the Jew from the gentile. But in Ephesians 2, Paul wrote that Christ “broke down” that middle wall of partition” that separated Jew and Gentile, “so as to CREATE one new man from the two ( Jew and gentile), thus making peace, that He might reconcile them BOTH to God in one body ( the church), through His cross. The reference to the cross here is significant because Colossians 2:14, says He took those old “handwritten ordinances” out of the way, nailing them to His cross. To understand this, it’s like a man today who writes a will. His will does not come into effect until he dies. And this is exactly what Hebrews 9:16-17 says about the last will and testament of Jesus Christ ( New Testament). “For where there is a will, there must first be the death of the testator. For a will is of no force as long as the testator lives.
This tells us WHEN the new law of Christ or of “Faith” as it is called in Galations, cane into effect— when Jesus died on the cross.

Christ changed the law—Hebrews 7:12

He took the old law out of the way (first testament), so He could replace it with a new law ( second testament), Hebrews 10:9

He made the Old Testament “OBSOLETE”. Niw that which is old and obsolete is ready to VANISH AWAY!” Hebrews 8:13.

And many other such scriptures in the book of Hebrews. The whole book of Hebrews is all about how Christ and His NEW law is better than the old Jewish law.
Christ is better than Moses.
Christ blood is better than the blood of
Bulls and goats.
The priesthood of Christ is better than the
Levitical priesthood.
The New covenant is better than the old
Covenant. And on and on.

So, to answer your question—you should follow Jesus and His NEW law of faith. He would not have you follow Him as a Jew. He was required to live and follow that old law as long as He was alive—He was BIRN into it; BUT, He died to create “one new man—Jew and gentile together in one church. One flock, one fold, one people—Christian’s.
The law that was changed in Hebrews 7 is described in Hebrews 7 and its the law of the priesthood, because the law said the priest had to come from the tribe of Levi, but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, so in order for Jesus to be our High Priest in the NC, the law of the priesthood had to change which is the context of this entire chapter if read in context.

Do you think we still need to love God with all our hearts and have love to one another?
 

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That was Jesus who did the writing:

[Exo 31:18 KJV] 18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

[Deu 9:10 KJV] 10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them [was written] according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

[Exo 32:16 KJV] 16 And the tables [were] the work of God, and the writing [was] the writing of God, graven upon the tables.
Speculation.

Besides, He's not a plural "angels" or "saints".
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