Understanding God’s election

He wouldn't want a refund. He greatly enjoys being spoon-fed to have his ears tickled.

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Not ignorant.
I realized that unregenerate man is a sinner by nature.

The flood had to come for another yet MAJOR reason.

The hybrid Nephilim being born were half angel and half man.
If given time, they were going to take over the gene pool of evil mankind if allowed to remain.

If that happened?
The Messiah could not have been born of a true human seed.

To preserve the seed promised in Genesis 3:15?
God preserved genuine human DNA through Noah and his family.
All the rest had to die, lest the Messiah would have been prevented from being born of a woman.

That was the real reason for the flood.

For the verse you cited (Gen 8:21) revealed that man's nature had not changed since Genesis 6.
So, there had to be something much worse to warrant the flood.

Yes.

The flood
Babel
Sodom
Canaan at the time of Joshua

All afflicted with a similar phenomenon. All needing decisive merciful action to end the crisis.

Before graduating from Bible college, I learned of a teacher that some teaching on campus were learning from.
I decided to begin ordering audio tapes of Bible lessons after having graduated.
Then it happened. The tapes came in the mail.
Stunned, I realized after hearing my first lesson, that I just learned more in one hour than I had in three years of Bible college.
Yet, I needed that college training to develop my capacity to understand what I was going to be taught...

Now... Here's how expensive it was for me to listen to hours a day of teaching.



Over time, I tapered off to not as much concentrated study.
And, I might add.
Because of the intense desire of many, this pastor taught six nights a week
from the King James, and the Hebrew and Greek texts.

No money was ever asked for.

A unregenerate person is dead to God, dead in sin

Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Archived the link and being auditioned. Thanks!

rbthieme.org/mp3/361_0047.mp3

"man was created to resolve the angelic conflict"

Ding ding ding we have a winner....!

Yes, a good teacher/pastor maintains this protocol:
[Jhn 15:4 KJV]
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Contrarily, how many Churches/pastors today constitute these "MEN"? Probably far too many.
We know who they are do we not?
[Jhn 15:6 KJV]
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and ***men*** gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.

It is illogical as well as unbiblical to maintain that a soul who does not know he is sinning is sinning. Paul explains quite clearly in RM 7:7-13 and GL 3:19-25 that the law was given so that souls WOULD know they were sinners. Man can know of the existence of God through creation and conscience (C&C), but nowhere does he say man will be condemned to hell even though he had no ability/opportunity to learn about sin and be saved from its ultimate punishment. On the contrary, souls who had the wisdom of the world (1CR 1:21) are without excuse, because they had the opportunity prompted by C&C to seek God/GW or the wisdom of God in 2:6-7, which is the mind of Christ (v.16), the incarnate Logos (JN 1:14), and Paul taught (in 1TM 2:3-4) that God wants every sinner to LGW and be saved or enter into a relationship with Him in Christ, just as Peter did in MT 16:15-17. Therefore, God determined or predestined a plan of salvation involving the atoning death of Messiah to win our redemption from hell (EPH 1:4-11).

The question sometimes arises: Is God free to be unloving or to do evil, such as creating souls who have no opportunity to be saved from damnation? Is God the Father able to change His will, is God the Son free to sin, and could God the Holy Spirit become demonic?
If God cannot do what He has decreed to be evil, then He would not be as free as volitional humanity created in His image, and there would be no basis for praising His holiness. Just as God created physical laws such as gravity, so He created moral laws such as “love everyone” and evil influences or options! Thus, just as God is not bound by gravity, so also He is not enslaved by good or forced to do what is righteous.

The Bible clearly teaches that God the Son is free to sin (HB 2:14-18) and "was tempted in every way just as we are..." (HB 4:15), and Paul (in RM 9:16-21) upholds the freedom of God to love or hate as He chooses. The cliche “might makes right” is true; it is because God is almighty that only He can determine what is right ultimately. There is no super-divine authority that determines God; God is self-determined. The only basis humans have for evaluating whether God is just is understanding how God’s acts and judgments are consistent with the moral principles He has ordained for those created in His image (RM 3:22-26).

If God were ever to change His mind, it would mean that God is tricky and that morality is ultimately arbitrary and a farce. This is why we should not take God and divine love for granted. Instead, we should be eternally grateful that God has decreed loving to be right and not doubt His promise never to change (ML 3:6). God is not the angel of light and love who deceives humanity, so let us praise God in the spirit of Psalm 66:1: “Shout with joy to God, all the earth! Sing to the glory of his name; Offer him glory and praise!”

Another question is whether the saints in heaven retain volition or will be able sin. It would seem that the answer is "yes", because this option was chosen by Satan and his minions (LK 10:18, MT 25:41, JUDE v.6, cf. EZK 28:15-19). Perhaps the main reason for humanity to be saved by means of this earthly sojourn involving sinning and suffering is to teach us not to make the same mistake!

Awesome. My teacher was(He passed recently) Robert McLaughlin. Ordained by The Colonel. We also have a lot of Thiemes tapes. Great teachers!

Like you, We learned more in one hour than we had in 10 years in our little rural church.

Yup. Similar situation with me when I began to study Chronister's work.
Shock. Devastating shock and awe and amazement.
Partly due to what I realized was the total failure of post-modern Churchianty and the appalling lack of fundamentally sound teaching.

Felt like I had won the lottery. Seriously.

You know, I have a lot of problems just like everybody else.

But being a ghoulish hyper-condemning hyper-Calvinist isn't one of them.
And thank God for that.

The Angelic conflict/Kingdom conflict......Arguably the most important doctrine for his church. It IS why we are here. To live a mature spiritual life and glorify God puts another nail in Satan's coffin.

Agree. This is essential the starting point as far as the sons of Adam are concerned.

I know what you mean! I likened it to my salvation experience. I was about ready to give up. Stuck in churchianity and didn't know it. Then I heard a Grace orientated pastor teacher! I was ALL in.

Yes, Thieme was quite knowledgeable and I appreciated his systematic approach to Bible study: treating a topic or book thoroughly.

Although I would like to find a similar teacher in a church near me today, I also tapered off after realizing that Thieme spent too much time translating the KJV instead of simply beginning with a good modern version. Thus, knowing the meaning of the Greek beyond the wording of the modern translations was helpful rather rarely. Also, I did not appreciate what seemed to be a papal or dogmatic streak in Thieme, and recently I would like for a pastor to apply Scripture teaching more often to the political situation than I remember him doing. Still, I rank him with my seminary profs.

Yes I understand and agree.

The issue for us today, is Calvin's ideas, even if not the entire system are ubiquitous in the churches by design.
This is coordinated effort by the seminaries and Bible schools.

Seems to me, the hard-hearted who basically hate humanity like the god they create, or the narcissists types, kinda like Calvin, have no issue with it, but those with deeper sensibilities suffer under its weight and may even have their faith destroyed.

There are many testimonies to this effect.

The real doctrines of GRACE!

I hear ya!

Same here buddy. But now all in all the time!
And brother there were DECADES of disappointment at what I was seeing out there in Churchianity. Brutal.
But now I am on a constant outreach ministry to hammer down those prison bars so others may likewise be FREE.

[Jhn 8:36 KJV]
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Yup. That is the way I see it.
That is the bitter root from which this bizarre Calvinite tree of death grows.