Understanding God’s election

Mat 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Does it get any plainer than this?

Here, Jesus contrasted what had long been his will with the will of the people who had rejected, and still were rejecting, his will for their lives. In other words, Jesus had long been seeking to gather the Jews unto himself, and they had long refused to be truly gathered unto him. Prior to his incarnation, he repeatedly strove with them via his prophets who had the Spirit of Christ in them (1 Peter 1:11), and he was here still striving with them, but now in person. To deny this truth is to deny many hundreds of years of biblical history, yet many people on this thread are perfectly willing to do the same.

Stephen, before he was stoned to death, gave the same account of many hundreds of years of Jewish history.

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

As their forefathers before them had done, the Jews of Jesus' and Stephen's day were always resisting the Holy Ghost.

What do the Calvinists draw from this?

GOD'S GRACE IS IRRESISTIBLE!

Methinks that they need a lot of help.

I also think there is an emotional/fleshy appeal of Calvinism along with some narcissistic elements.

I don't even know what your other questions were. Wait...the difference between election and selection? What do you think the difference is? I need to shave and shower...

Contrarily, NO good father would give his little girl to ANY groom without her consent, nor would any good father do so without a good faith genuine offer of marriage, or without a loving and sincere wooing of her.

Calvinists don't say that. They merely say the source of the willingness comes from outside of the individual and is not sourced within themselves.

mstektytyat

This might help you...

Calvin does not simply say that.

Calvin says they are elect from eternity.

Calvin says they are saved before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The source being God's gift of salvation and salvation is a gift given to those that believe.

The source is always external but the response is not external.

The response is required, one must believe in Jesus, one must trust Jesus.

Then the gift of the Holy Spirit is granted and only then are they sealed, saved.

God's favorite nation Israel was elect, chosen, selected from all the nations.

Calvin does not simply say that.

Calvin says they are elect from eternity.

Calvin says they are saved before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The source being God's gift of salvation and salvation is a gift given to those that believe.

The source is always external but the response is not external.

The response is required, one must believe in Jesus, one must trust Jesus.

Then the gift of the Holy Spirit is granted and only then are they sealed, saved.

Calvin does not simply say that.

Calvin says they are elect from eternity.

Calvin says they are saved before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The source being God's gift of salvation and salvation is a gift given to those that believe.

The source is always external but the response is not external.

The response is required, one must believe in Jesus, one must trust Jesus.

Then the gift of the Holy Spirit is granted and only then are they sealed, saved.

Lol. Your opening run-on sentence gave the Apostle Paul a run for his money.

I asked you earlier (I know that you are busy at work, so I am not accusing you of avoiding my question) if people can vote (make choices) in a sovereignty? Well, can they?

That would depend upon what those personal revelations are. Are they in line with God's word or contrary to it?

I'm not asking about faith. I am looking for a generic definition of freewill that we can agree upon.

You're hilarious!!!

Well, the context has always been personal revelation as a way of God drawing and bringing people to believe in Him so yes they are in accordance with Scripture, at least the ones to which I refer. I am not saying everybody's revelations are. And I don't think it is unfair of God, who is personal after all, to reveal Himself in ways that are personal, while in the process of drawing people to Himself with loving-kindness that they may come to believe.

The Biblical definition of free will is essentially synonymous with faith, which is why I say that the way a person chooses the life/blessing option in terms of DT 30:19 is by having faith like Abraham per Paul in Romans, and that a person chooses death/cursing by faith in the opposite. I have no better definition of free will/faith than that, so it is your turn to share your definition.

You misrepresented me and my beliefs. So many have presented such mangled versions of what I believe it's ridiculous. Absolute falsehoods again and again. But according to them they understand what I believe. They don't even bother to ask. They just present lie after lie after lie.

Also, without God's intervention, would Isaac have ever been born? Any significance to this?

To me, they mean the same thing. At least in the context of how I was using the word wooing.
In all honesty, I have only read a very, very tiny amount of the posts here, so I am not aware of who said those things. Do I believe that people can truly have personal experiences with God today? Yes, I most certainly do, and I have had several such experiences myself. In my particular case, those normally, but not always, fell under the category of intense personal correction from God.

It all hinges on the idea man cannot believe and the Gospel message is not sufficient because he is blind, a sinner, has a heart of stone, is born evil and the Gospel is foolishness unless god provides the ability to believe.