biblically masculine/feminine behavior vs society
- Thread starter timemeddler
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jacob was probably effeminate compared to Esau, Jacob was a homebody who kept house and cooked, and he openly wept when he met Rachel because he was so overcome with emotion at her beauty. What's interesting is that Isaac loved Esau, whom God hated
And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents. And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob. Genesis 25:27-28
Plain
H8535 תָּם tam (tawm) adj.
1. complete.
2. (usually, morally) pious.
3. (specifically) gentle, dear.
Euphemisms:
I agree, the context of 1Co.6:9 seems to make this a clear euphemism for homosexuality. Euphemisms were often used in scripture for this behavior.
(It is interesting though, and telling, that it uses this particular euphemism.)
We also have some clear prohibitions against things like cross-dressing. And when we see those passages, they too have the connotation of homosexual conduct. So the problem with cross-dressing is a lot deeper than WHAT you are wearing; the real problem is WHY you are wearing it.
Cross Dressing:
It's principally an issue of intent.
If your wife puts on one of your manly shirts, it's probably not because she wants to be a man.
It's probably because your shirt is comfy, and cozy, and probably makes her feel secure... it makes her think of you.
She isn't trying to be a man.
Now, if she was wearing all your clothes, along with drawing on a mustache, and she was roaming around pretending to be a bloke... then you'd need some counseling.
Apologetics & Debate:
So if we remember this is all about INTENT, then we're armed to fend off all the attacks from progressives trying to justify cross-dressing by bringing up men in ancient times wearing skirts or long robes. A man in ancient Greece may have worn something like a skirt, but it was still a "man's" skirt, and something appropriate for a man to wear in that culture. If he was TRYING to look like a woman... then that was a different matter.
(Note on Ancient Greece:
Despite all the progressive re-interpretations of history, not everyone in ancient Greece was gay, and it was not something the majority participated in, and it was not considered normative. In reality, their entire view of sexuality was so different than modern culture that they really didn't have a concept of men who ONLY had relationships with men. Homosexuality did exist, as a behavior, but they had no equivalent to the modern concept of "gay" as either an identity or as an exclusive preference. Modern views simply don't apply to the ancient world.)
.
I agree, the context of 1Co.6:9 seems to make this a clear euphemism for homosexuality. Euphemisms were often used in scripture for this behavior.
(It is interesting though, and telling, that it uses this particular euphemism.)
We also have some clear prohibitions against things like cross-dressing. And when we see those passages, they too have the connotation of homosexual conduct. So the problem with cross-dressing is a lot deeper than WHAT you are wearing; the real problem is WHY you are wearing it.
Cross Dressing:
It's principally an issue of intent.
If your wife puts on one of your manly shirts, it's probably not because she wants to be a man.
It's probably because your shirt is comfy, and cozy, and probably makes her feel secure... it makes her think of you.
She isn't trying to be a man.
Now, if she was wearing all your clothes, along with drawing on a mustache, and she was roaming around pretending to be a bloke... then you'd need some counseling.
Apologetics & Debate:
So if we remember this is all about INTENT, then we're armed to fend off all the attacks from progressives trying to justify cross-dressing by bringing up men in ancient times wearing skirts or long robes. A man in ancient Greece may have worn something like a skirt, but it was still a "man's" skirt, and something appropriate for a man to wear in that culture. If he was TRYING to look like a woman... then that was a different matter.
(Note on Ancient Greece:
Despite all the progressive re-interpretations of history, not everyone in ancient Greece was gay, and it was not something the majority participated in, and it was not considered normative. In reality, their entire view of sexuality was so different than modern culture that they really didn't have a concept of men who ONLY had relationships with men. Homosexuality did exist, as a behavior, but they had no equivalent to the modern concept of "gay" as either an identity or as an exclusive preference. Modern views simply don't apply to the ancient world.)
.
aside from kilts there are a few other options marketed to western men.
Tradition & Intent:
For a Scotsman to wear a kilt, where it is a part of their tradition and culture, it is perfectly normal and masculine.
But for Americans who are not Scotsmen, we have no such tradition. In fact we have a completely opposite tradition: in our culture it is considered feminine, and nothing but feminine... so it would seem that men in American culture who want to wear skirts are trying to look feminine.
.
Well, they are calling for a big snow here in the Ohio Valley, so you def want to cover anything that swings low. 
BTW the only man that can wear a kilt and still be manly is Mel Gibson in Braveheart, though if I recall he was a little cheeky in that movie. I need to get to sleep, the jokes aren't gettin' any better from here and I can't top yours brother Max.
BTW the only man that can wear a kilt and still be manly is Mel Gibson in Braveheart, though if I recall he was a little cheeky in that movie. I need to get to sleep, the jokes aren't gettin' any better from here and I can't top yours brother Max.-
1
- Show all
Let's go through them and see.
1. Using skincare products
2. Using fancy soaps.
I don't see anything unmanly about caring for your body health. My husband has dry skin and would break out if he didn't use skincare products. But he's also 6'4 and a typical sports fan also, I don't think anyone would mistake him as gay.
My father and my husband both worked at a flower delivery wholesale company. For a while there they could name more flowers than me and my mother, didn't make them gay.
Crafting, art, doesn't make one gay.
Do you mean the movie Color Purple, or just the color? Romantic TV I'm not sure what that would be. I don't know a lot of straight men that love Hallmark movies but I don't either, so, still no proof of being gay.
Most men I know shower, but there are reasons someone would take a bath. If you suffer from soreness and stiffness, a bath in Epsom Salts does the trick.
Nope, not that either. Having a sense of style doesn't make one gay. My husband is capable of buying and choosing his own clothes. I don't have to mother him. He wears sports stuff a lot and people mistake him for a coach a lot. But he can dress up and go to church without looking like he stole his little brother's clothes. I appreciate that about him.
Most men aren't raised to share their feelings. But that doesn't make it wrong to do so. Still hubby sharing how he feels with me isn't the same as a woman does. You're not going to see a group of men sitting around sharing feelings. Men don't tend to think that way.
Well if that is true then the south is full of gay men. Because they hug down here. As a former non hugger who moved south, they all hug and you learn to accept it and lighten up.
Not unless you're talking panties, as Max pointed out, and heels, I wouldn't say that makes one gay.
Like, Indian style we did as kids? Can we even say that? Or one leg over the other. Not being a man but understanding basic anatomy, I don't think that's a comfortable position for long. It may make you sing higher, but I don't think it makes you gay.
No knowledge in this area at all.
Apparently they've never watched Kitchen Nightmares and heard Ramsey talk.
Like babies, yes, like purses, no.
Depends. There are people in sports who shave their legs. If you're doing it for that reason, ok. If you're doing it for Biff, not ok. Bag carried on the back or fanny pack, yes, Jacklyn Smith at Kmart, no. I know some who work in the cold wear hose, matching them with heels and we're back to the panties, no.
Jesus wept. There's a time and a place.
No, none of that makes one gay. What makes one gay is wanting to copy/imitate women, usually over acting what a woman would act like. Trying to dress and be different from what God made you. It's a heart attitude.
1. Using skincare products
2. Using fancy soaps.
I don't see anything unmanly about caring for your body health. My husband has dry skin and would break out if he didn't use skincare products. But he's also 6'4 and a typical sports fan also, I don't think anyone would mistake him as gay.
My father and my husband both worked at a flower delivery wholesale company. For a while there they could name more flowers than me and my mother, didn't make them gay.
Crafting, art, doesn't make one gay.
Do you mean the movie Color Purple, or just the color? Romantic TV I'm not sure what that would be. I don't know a lot of straight men that love Hallmark movies but I don't either, so, still no proof of being gay.
Most men I know shower, but there are reasons someone would take a bath. If you suffer from soreness and stiffness, a bath in Epsom Salts does the trick.
Nope, not that either. Having a sense of style doesn't make one gay. My husband is capable of buying and choosing his own clothes. I don't have to mother him. He wears sports stuff a lot and people mistake him for a coach a lot. But he can dress up and go to church without looking like he stole his little brother's clothes. I appreciate that about him.
Most men aren't raised to share their feelings. But that doesn't make it wrong to do so. Still hubby sharing how he feels with me isn't the same as a woman does. You're not going to see a group of men sitting around sharing feelings. Men don't tend to think that way.
Well if that is true then the south is full of gay men. Because they hug down here. As a former non hugger who moved south, they all hug and you learn to accept it and lighten up.
Not unless you're talking panties, as Max pointed out, and heels, I wouldn't say that makes one gay.
Like, Indian style we did as kids? Can we even say that? Or one leg over the other. Not being a man but understanding basic anatomy, I don't think that's a comfortable position for long. It may make you sing higher, but I don't think it makes you gay.
No knowledge in this area at all.
Apparently they've never watched Kitchen Nightmares and heard Ramsey talk.
Like babies, yes, like purses, no.
Depends. There are people in sports who shave their legs. If you're doing it for that reason, ok. If you're doing it for Biff, not ok. Bag carried on the back or fanny pack, yes, Jacklyn Smith at Kmart, no. I know some who work in the cold wear hose, matching them with heels and we're back to the panties, no.
Jesus wept. There's a time and a place.
No, none of that makes one gay. What makes one gay is wanting to copy/imitate women, usually over acting what a woman would act like. Trying to dress and be different from what God made you. It's a heart attitude.