Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

If we apply your (very flawed) reasoning, then human children all "want to have sex". You really ought to rethink that one!

Nowhere in Scripture are we told that God does not "allow" marriage among angels. It just tells us that the angels in heaven don't marry. Don't misrepresent the words of Scripture.

Marriage is the only relationship among humans that is sanctioned for sex. Further, God prohibits sex between different 'kinds'. Animals have sex without being married, and nothing in Scripture suggests that God has a problem with it.

Streeeeeetch.

No, we can't. That's a non sequitur.

Try sticking closer with what Scripture says, and don't bother speculating where Scripture is silent.

You're welcome to your opinion, even it if leaves large gaps in your theory.

Maybe you go to far in trying to tie unrelated things together.

Mhmm... exactly. Given that "you have no idea", perhaps you should consider mine instead of outright rejecting it as "silly, perverse, and deviant from the spirit of scripture". Heavenly entities procreating with human women resulting in "men of renown" is exactly what the Greek and Roman mythologies describe. Gee... where have we seen that idea in the Bible?

Maybe you go too far in describing these things as unrelated. Their alignment is about as good as you're going to find among ancient beliefs.

There's nothing substantive about your angels with wieners hypothesis. It's all based on angels of God being changed to sons of God in the Masoretic Text.

Just as an intellectual exercise to test your hypothesis, assume angels of God in Job is correct. I think you will find your entire argument is built on speculation. Also consider the possibility that instead of the bible informing Greek and Roman mythologies, the Masoretic Text in this case was informed by unbiblical traditions. What you're basing your argument on postdates the LXX by nearly 1000 years which provided a lot of opportunity for textual modification to satisfy tradition. Masoretes derives from the word "masorah" , which means"tradition;"

Not according to the Bible no . read this section of Hebrews if you do that you’ll have a hard time not hearing it

“hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( his son )

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:2, 4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the son and his name was inherited a better and greater name than angels because none has ever been called his son.

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? ( he said that to his son )

Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the children are the hiers of thier parent angels are spiritual ministers sent to minister to them

“But we see Jesus, ( the son ) who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( jesus became one of the children man not angels ) that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( the son made like the children ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:9-10, 14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think that of you read that section of scripture Hebrews chapter one and two it pretty much clears up the question rather thoroughly making a very clear and pronounced difference between Gods children and Gods angels


p.s. The closest verse to saying anything even close is when it says men will become like angels in the resurrection not marrying or giving in marriage[/QUOTE]

I know the passage well and its connection, however a careful look at the reading in Hebrews includes the word “begotten” noting that none of the angels are begotten sons of God. That’s an important doctrine of Jesus. The seed born to Mary would be God’s seed not of Joseph. Again, angels are sons of God, but not begotten of God. Big difference.

Concerning the creation, mornings stars are angels that are part of the sons of God shouting for joy. No son of Adam has been created yet.

Job 38:
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

I have no such hypothesis. I will not demean people I respect with such vulgar characterization.

It aligns very well with all the relevant Scripture and non-biblical writings.

Your idea of an "intellectual exercise" lacks the critical element of "exercise". There's nothing to test here.

You're missing something important: 2 Peter and Jude aren't part of the Masoretic text.

I'm not going to debate this further with you until you do some homework. Obtain and read Dr. Heiser's The Unseen Realm. If that's too much for you, at least read the simplified version, Supernatural.

You're just making the assumption those 2 are related to Genesis 6. I don;t see any connection

I call it the angels with wieners fallacy

Read the book.

Here's another possibility that avoids the angels with wieners fallacy. Bene haElohim literally means sons of the gods. Could that be referring to the ungodly seed of Adam who worshiped the gods, ie angels, rather than YHWH? It actually makes Genesis 6:1-7 flow together very nicely. HaElohim is used in Exodus to refer to all other gods but YHWH

does marrying and being given in marriage have nothing to do with anything other than producing offspring?

in the context of this saying, there was nothing about having babies or doing specific things that would result in babies. it was about a woman being uniquely joined to a man in a certain kind of relationship.

it may not be the case that this saying angels ((likewise humans in the resurrection)) are incapable of physical intimacy; that might be us reading something into it that isn't being addressed at all - such that there is no contradiction here whatsoever to Genesis 6 being understood the way it naturally reads.

Biblical marriage is the physical relation of two becoming one flesh. Nothing magically happens when modern day couples stand before a preacher and say vows.

wow, so if you believe angels would of procreated with humans then you would have to also believe that God Himself permitted that to happen which He would never allow. The angles who were casted out were casted out as the result of the Archangel Satan rebelling against God and leading to a war, not because of procreating. c'mon.

the seed of Satan....could of sworn we are all children of wrath and condemned already when born into the world...

when did God stop being Sovereign? no demon mated with a human, there were no giants either.

When did God stop being Sovereign...

Define what you mean by sovereign since the term is not found in scripture.