Gospel Confusion...

And Peter
And others.
Paul was constantly preaching to the Jews.
Paul said " to the Jew FIRST, and also to the Gentiles "
Paul put his countrymen ahead of the Gentiles.
( this shows us the emphasis of the hyperpauline assumptions is error by emphasis)
No doubt rejecting the verses and message of the entire Bible will create error every time.

Thank God we have the entire Bible.
The Holy Ghost inspired word of God.
We can rest assured it is given to his people.
One and only one Holy Spirit.
Not Paul.
Not Peter
The same Holy Spirit speaking to all the Apostles. Not 2 Holy Spirits confused over " what is the correct Gospel."

YHWH's KING presented Himself pre-crucifixion & post resurrection.

The 1Cor15 Gospel doesn't even follow the flow of what Paul was proclaiming. Firstly, for the Gentiles, they needed to know what "Christ" means. That's what Paul can be seen proclaiming and teaching in Acts13. Did you catch the part in Acts18 that says Paul stayed there teaching for 3 years. If we just start with 1Cor15 we're missing much of what Paul did and taught. Read someone who knows nothing 1Cor15 and they won't even know what "Christ" means, and you'll leave them with a story about a man named Jesus whose last name is Christ, and the enemy will jump in and confuse him and take him captive with all kinds of nonsense about the undefined Jesus. This whole adventure we're on boils down to who we accept as our authority; Jesus YHWH's Christ/KING or something or someone else.

What's your problem with the Scripture I laid out for you or the Scriptures in #166 that show Paul teaching and proclaiming the Kingdom of God? That Kingdom has a living KING to whom all knees shall bow. The death, burial & resurrection is surely a part of it, but explain who and what Christ means. Get Psalm 2 into hearts and minds. We have way too many "christians" who never learned the bow to the KING part and think they're on their way to heaven. Paul in 1Cor15 i writing to Christians who were evangelized and taught by him and he's shoring up the vital importance of the resurrection - without which Jesus is not the CHRIST/KING and our Faith is worthless. This is the main point of the Gospel. The resurrection proved who Jesus is. Now bow and keep bowing and learn about Him, what He's done for us, and do what He says.

Hyperpaulines are one dimensional.

Paul said that he preached Christ crucified several times as his message to those that listened.
Call me thick headed or what ever but this debate is like a dog chasing its tail to me.
What was the preaching of Paul? Since there was no new testament writings at this time. What in the old testament would Paul expound upon to preach this message? To the jew and also the God fearers ( gentiles). This imo is the homework we need to investigate.
That would even apply to all the preaching at this time. Yet many were saved jew and gentile alike.
This is what needs to be considered imo. Where are the truths hidden in the shadows of the old to bring light to the new?

That an interesting thought. Here's what came to mind when reading your post:

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

That was a slam against the religious leaders of that time along several fronts. The religious relied upon the letter that kills, even though it is the work of Christ Jesus in what He accomplished on the cross as the source of eternal life for all Jews and Gentiles today. It's not water baptism unto remission of sins preached by Peter in Acts 2, but rather the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus on the third day, that is the source of grace through faith unto salvation.

MM

That is the gospel according to 1 Corinthians 15.

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received,
in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you,
unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received,
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised
on the third day according to the Scriptures.

Does Peter backup what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15.

2 Peter 3:15-16
And regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to
the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which
are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of
the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

If your church does not identify the gospel as 1 Corinthians 15, then you more than likely have a distorted
gospel.

That is incorrect according to the text.

Peter was the apostle to the Jews and Paul the apostle to the Gentiles.

Galatians 2:9
And recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed
to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles
and they to the circumcised.

There it is Psalm1, "so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised".

Paul would go to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles, though Paul's primary ministry was to the Gentiles.

There is no debate on this point; Paul was assigned to the Gentiles.

As for the gospel; please read the verse below.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

If your sins are not forgiven then you can throw the Bible in the bin.

Christianity is anchored to that perfect, divine sacrifice that Christ performed to reconcile us.

An acquaintance of mine, who attends a church organization that claims it's not a denomination, stated to me that Paul did not have to outright state that water baptism is an element of salvation/justification today. His thesis was/is that the requirement for water baptism today from Paul's epistles is that it is "implicit" in his writings.

To claim a required element as being important to salvation and justification under the guise of it being implicit, that smacks in loud volumes of the go-to cultic practices I have seen used by many a Mormon and Jehovah's Witness trying to force their doctrinal beliefs into scriptures that absolutely do not back their claim.

The lack of intellectual honesty from within the framework of chosen belief rather than knowledge based upon empirical study, that lack is rampant among the masses who refuse to even consider the potential for error on their part, thus demonstrating a gross inconsiderate toward anyone who might dare challenge their pet doctrines.

MM

That an interesting thought. Here's what came to mind when reading your post:

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

That was a slam against the religious leaders of that time along several fronts. The religious relied upon the letter that kills, even though it is the work of Christ Jesus in what He accomplished on the cross as the source of eternal life for all Jews and Gentiles today. It's not water baptism unto remission of sins preached by Peter in Acts 2, but rather the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus on the third day, that is the source of grace through faith unto salvation.

MM

Precious friend, probably better and safer to be this instead the TWO-dimensional Confusion Of
Combining God's Two Different Programs Into one, eh?:

I have decided to follow Jesus?

Amen.

Time and time again, through the years, I've heard people talk about how the blood of animals under the sacrificial system, could not wash away sins, and that was/is a true statement. What made the difference was the act, which demonstrated a faith upon which the Lord looked in order to forgive them in ancient times of their sins long before the cross:

Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31, 35
20 And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them. ...
26 And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him. ...
31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him. ...
35 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.

Leviticus 5:10, 13, 16, 18
10 And he shall offer the second [for] a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him. ...
13 And the priest shall make an atonement for him as touching his sin that he hath sinned in one of these, and it shall be forgiven him: and the remnant shall be the priest's, as a meat offering. ...
16 And he shall make amends for the harm that he hath done in the holy thing, and shall add the fifth part thereto, and give it unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering, and it shall be forgiven him. ...
18 And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.

Leviticus 6:7 And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.

Leviticus 19:22 And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.

Before the cross, Jesus forgave sins. So, what does all this mean?

Conclusively, forgiveness of sins has always existed, not just something that came about at the crucifixion of Christ Jesus. What the death, burial and resurrection on the third day did for mankind, especially after the fall of Israel through her continued rejection of Christ Jesus, thus nullifying her priesthood to the world, the dispensation of grace rests fully upon the foundation of His shed Blood, which nullifies throughout the entire life of each true believer without the necessity for continually asking forgiveness and rededicating one's life through religious ceremony and sacraments.

Hebrews 10:11-12, 14
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; ...
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Do you see the magnitude of what this is saying? We are all free from ALL the sacramental systems of the Law AND from the wicked men and their traditions who continue to this day to enslave many to their evil demands for continued sacrifice, this spitting toward the face of He who has taken away all our sin FOR EVER, never having to ask for what has already been bestowed upon all who are sanctified, which is grace through faith, not of the works of water baptism, pagan sacraments, fervent prayers unto the Lord asking for what has already been given to all who are in Christ and are a part of His body. Free. Those who want to remain enslaved, they will one day look back upon it all that they had done and realize what a wasted effort it all was.

MM

Another good example how the OT saints were not looking forward to the cross, but had to display obedience under the law. And even this could not take away sins, thus, Abraham’s bosom to keep the obedient saints safe upon death from wrath until the shed blood of Jesus could set them free.

That makes sense given this:

Mark 9:31-32
31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

When even the very disciples of Israel's Messiah point-blank told them what was going to happen, even THEY were not looking forward to it. Sheesh! Kinda makes one glad we can't time travel to go back there and shaken them around a little to wake them up...

MM

It as hid from them and everyone else on purpose until after it happened.

Well, I don't think I can agree with that, mainly because it was prophesied what would happen:

1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

It was all prophesied, but the nation and the religious leaders closed their eyes to what was written.

Also:

John 2:19-22
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Israel has nobody else to blame for having missed it that Jesus fulfilled all the prophesies of His coming. The hardness of their hearts was and is an astounding thing to behold.

Luke 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

MM

Luke 18:
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Later, after the resurrection, the Lord started to open their minds to the truth.

Luke 24:
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: