I would like some perspectives on Revelation.

I believe that this video will answer many questions about Bible prophecy, specifically Daniel and Revelation. It is 1 hour 26 minutes long and amazingly well done.

My thought is that the first three chapters urge perseverance, but folks have been trying to figure out the rest of REV
ever since it was written, so good luck with that!

Oh, that's so heart-breaking!!!! I have a brother that I love too. He hasn't come around to being with Jesus, but I pray for him always and I share about Jesus with him when I see the opportunity (he always wanted to have a big brother, so told him Jesus can be his big brother!). And it's going to be this way until he comes to Jesus or one of us dies.


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You are in revelations. he has gained power seen evidence of false power a start of deception of false God hood. That is where we are at.

You are in revelations. he has gained power seen evidence of false power a start of deception of false God hood. That is where we are at.

Yes, mankind HAS BEEN "trying to figure out" Revelation ever since it was written. But Daniel in chapt 12, states about HIS book, "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, "even till the time of the end" many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

The Book of Daniel is the KEY to understanding the prophetic Book of Revelation.

WHY was the understanding of Daniel closed till these end times ? Because no one would be able to understand prophecy, till after the fulfilling of the prophecies. Daniel wasn't opened till the end of the 2300 year prophecy of Dan 8:14, which occurred in 1844, when William Miller and the Advent Movement / understanding, "those with ears to hear ", those with the "gift of prophecy" the Holy Spirit's guidance. In Revelation 19, it states, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" Which is what Revelation is = the "Revelation of Jesus Christ ... the testimony of Jesus Christ" Rev. 1:1-2 The Book of Revelation is a Blessing ( Rev. 1: 3) from Jesus to us, so that we should know what's happening and going to happen, ( fear not ) ... it is the history of God's end time church, from the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 AD to the Second Coming of Christ, in "Symbols and Signs"

And then there is the phenomena, the propensity of mankind NOT to want to believe the prophets OR God, our propensity to SIN, and our carnal nature, inherited from Adam. People are more in love with their SIN and the world, James 4:4, than to pay any attention to God and His Prophets. It's just like the attitude of the Pharisees, at Jesus' first coming. They were so accustomed to their "Traditions", their belief system, religion, that they stopped their ears and gnashed their teeth to Jesus. ... Zechariah 7, & Acts 7, when Stephen was speaking and, Matthew 15, Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for their TRADITIONS. So it is TODAY with the majority of the "religious" world, today, with their traditions, gotten mostly from the Roman Church. They don't want to hear the TRUTH, it makes them VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, as it does, to make them believe in the Truth of JESUS and His Righteousness.

Blessed Day Brother

OH !! PS ... The book of Revelation is ALL about His Church. We, His Church, are Israel, because we are in Christ and HE IN US.. He became Israel when He came the first time as prophesied in Daniel 9. ( This group of people, self-called "Israel" in the Middle East are NOT Israel, but are of the spirit of anti-christ, 1 John 4:3 and of the synagogue of Satan. Rev 2:9 & Rev. 3:9. ... Just sayin'. BE AWARE !!

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Church did not replace Israel

lol, no. It is not the book of Daniel that was sealed. It clearly says what the man in linen said was "closed up. Not a book and not what Daniel wrote but only what the man in linen said.




Dan 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Your right ! I should have been more specific and said, the book referred to in Daniel 12:4—"shut up the words, and seal the book"—is the portion of the book of Daniel that relates to the last days, which includes what the man in linen said.

When the book was opened, the proclamation was made, ‘Time shall be no longer.’ in Rev. 10, which is about the "little book" of Daniels endtime prophecies. The book of Daniel is now unsealed…

Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey

the “sealed book” in Daniel 12:4 are the end-time prophecies in Daniel—particularly those involving the judgment and Christ’s final work in the heavenly sanctuary, the 2300 year prophecy of Dan. 8:14—and affirms that they have now been unsealed and are essential for preparing a people, The Church, to stand in the consequences of the culmination of the 2300 yr and 1260 yr prophecies, in these last days.

The unsealing of this book corresponds with the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels’ messages, especially around the 1844 movement. The knowledge that was to increase refers to the understanding of prophetic truths.

But, then you already understand this since you seem to understand, Daniel's "little book that was sealed". I wrote most the above, so that other people, not understanding what we are talking about, might "get a clue".

Thanks for the clarification, and Blessings

Thanks JesusIsSovereign for your question about how to understand the book of Revelation in the Bible. Chapters 2 and 3 are messages which people have often thought only pertain to individual church groups who existed in certain places (Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatira, and so forth, respectively). But, instead, the messages completing both chapters are for the entire church at large, for we read after each specific message: "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." The messages in those 2 chapters, therefore, are to be read throughout the entire church world, so to speak. Further, the book of Revelation is written in parable form, just as the entire rest of the Bible is also written in parable form. We read about the way the Bible is written in Psalm 78: "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable..." A parable is an earthly or surface story that has a deeper or interpreted meaning, spiritual in nature. When we read the Bible as simply a surface text or surface story, we would be denying the way that it was written by God to say that it didn't have a deeper interpreted meaning. For example, are we content to say that the sword coming out of Jesus mouth in Revelation 19:15 is an ordinary metal type of earthly sword, or do we let the Bible define the word 'sword'.by noting that the "the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: ". That is the way Ephesians 6 tells us to think of the word 'sword'. So, perhaps, instead, Jesus has his word coming forth from his mouth instead of a metal sword. Is Jesus on an ordinary earthly 'white horse' in Revelation 19:11, or is the horse a picture of Judah containing Jerusalem, which is itself a picture of the people of God. If we let the Bible tell us about the word 'horse', we read, "for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle. " When we see a woman clothed with the sun in Revelation 12, do we know that the sun is a picture of Christ in the Bible, or that the church is a woman in figurative terms in relation to Christ? Do we see numbers in the Bible as surface text quantities or do we see them as parable numbers used to describe things. For example, are the two witnesses who prophesy, really two persons, or is the number two emphasizing witness, and describing instead all believers who share Christ? Is Israel in Revelation 7 talking about just the Old Testament tribes or is Israel all believers in Christ whom God has sealed? Or is the number 144,000 a descriptive number or an actual number? Or are the angels which bind Satan, or lighten the earth, or rise from the east, or have the seal of the living God, or who overcome Satan by the blood of the lamb simply creatures with characteristics which humans think of when they think of angels, or are they, instead pictures of Christ himself? If you are asking me, I will be happy to answer that these kinds of surface impressions in the surface text of the Bible are usually describing entities which need interpreting before the truth intended is understood. The Bible tells us to compare this Bible verse with that Bible verse to get at the truth. Comparing spiritual words of the Bible with spiritual words of the Bible is what is meant when we read, "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. ". If I want to understand a term or a word in the Bible, I would look up that word as it occurs throughout the Bible. Often, the Bible will lend an interpretation. For example, a verse talking about a field might be talking about the people of the world instead of just a field. But I would know this because the Bible has a verse about "The field is the world ". Oh, you mean it's not just a field in Michigan or somewhere? No, it's the world, which in itself is the people of the world, not just a simple field as the surface text might have you believe.

Ding, ding, ding!

We will find examples like this throughout scripture. Where something seen in spirit, as in this Rev 19:11 example is depicted in a dream/vision-- it is explained and defined elsewhere in scripture. These "horses" are perfect examples. A horse in spirit, is not a horse on earth, in a physical sense. It is a person.

Similarly these two witnesses you mention, are previously described as two olive trees. We learn to connect dots by revelation, by explanation and definition. The lampstands, the stars, and beasts-- each one is meaningful because they are not independent symbols, but because they are explained elsewhere so that we might understand.

We see in spirit- a lamb, looking like it had been slain. Just like the horses, we know this is not physical, but a spiritual association that is made so that we might understand that lamb, and those horses to be people, not animals at all.

You left out part, the candlesticks. The two witnesses are the two olive trees AND the two candlesticks.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, AND the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


"the two olive trees" AND "the two candlesticks"


As you see, the "two witnesses" are two of one thing and two of another.




------------------one witness------------second witness------------
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


We have 4 altogether that compose the "two witnesses".

It's imagery. But it's not somehow four witnesses, if that is what you are implying. It's two connected images detailing one concept, using words that invoke associations. Remember this is in spirit, and John is seeing what Zechariah also saw-- a golden lampstand with seven bowls that hold the oil from these two olive trees that supply them. There are not two candlesticks, rather two "pipes" that extend from these two olive trees which supply the olive oil from branches on the left and right side of the lampstand.

Whatever helps you envision it-- The text is describing the source of the oil (the anointing) that pours through these two witnesses, and though they are depicted as trees-- these trees are men.

My wife mentioned this over dinner tonight. The book of revelation has a chiastic structure.
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Something I find fascinating about the Book of Revelation: it has a chiastic structure.
A sequence of ideas is presented up until a central event (the war between Michael and the Dragon), and then they’re repeated in reverse order.
You can see certain words/ideas mirrored using color-coding. This is also the case elsewhere, like the Flood story in Genesis.

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A pretty arrogant assertion you make here. I made it to page 8 before I rejected your "rightly divided" opinion. I disagree 100% with what you call "right". Do you understand your view is less that 100 years old? Is that not any kind of red flag? You believe the newest fad in regard to this subject, and when dissected in truth, it is the most scripture chopping, word redefining, eisegesis reliant, guru dependant, belief in modern Christianity. I wish people could put down their charts, timelines, and guru teachers to take a step back, read scripture and see how much you have to ADD to His word to get it to say that Revelation is future to us. It blew my mind when my eyes were opened to it and still does to this day.

This belief could have only come before we had access to so much information about the Bible. I don't think this belief would ever make it off the ground today if it was just being put forth. It is by far the most "needs stuff added to scripture", belief I've ever seen true believers accept. I would even say that without bringing this "belief" TO the text, no one would ever just grab a bible, read, and come to this conclusion on their own. It's just not there in my opinion anyway.

Another way of saying the same thing perhaps is to think in terms of seasonality. Scripture describes both our history and our future as times of planting and harvesting.

Cycles and circles.

Thanks, appreciate your opinion.

If the Grace/Mystery Departure and the Prophesied 2nd Coming (of Revelation) are not future,
then, pray tell when ( in the past ) did they actually occur? And the historical evidence, please?

God's Great GRACE Departure!
(The Future Grace/Mystery Departure Rightly Divided From the also future Prophesied 2nd Coming)

Amen.

I clearly spoke of two witnesses composed of FOUR things and ZERO implying. The two witnesses are two churches and two persons.

It's either "implying" four, or adding up to four. Maths.

But no. It doesn't add up at all.