Why did God create Humans ?

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lrs68

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Why would humans create gods?
This is actually a very good question.

Man discovered fire and suddenly worshipped the idea a Deity created fire. The same can be said about a billion things. Why would man even think about a higher power greater than himself if he is unable to consider God?
 
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Why did God create Human kind.?
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

when we truly worship and revere God, we fulfill that for which we were created ... that brings Him pleasure.

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Another question for open discussion

Why did God create Human kind.?

When i first heard of God / Jesus in a Youth Group they taught God created humankind as he wanted fellowship with a species that had free will

I of course read the bible and it soon became apparent that the Angels that God created first already had free will. eg Lucifer chose to disobey.

So why?

I still not sure why , so happy to hear peoples thoughts.
Starting with, Without the free choice to choose, the one who made us (God) being that one that made it all, would not be able to claim love to all, if did not give free choice to choose to all, whether it be good or bad. We do see a lot of bad choices, I have nmade myself included in past
This is a mystery to be revealed by God to each person or not as of yet or not, why? God to me knows what is best Jeremiah 29:11, This I have chosen, next?
Why it is us, the humans, God knows, as all I know is, here I am and there I go to learn and just love or not. I choose love in truth from God 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 given me to do automatically, taking no credit in doing it, trusting God for it, since under Law I saw I can't do it perfect, only God can and did through Son for us all to choose to believe God or not consciously so
 

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#44
Another question for open discussion

Why did God create Human kind.?

When i first heard of God / Jesus in a Youth Group they taught God created humankind as he wanted fellowship with a species that had free will

I of course read the bible and it soon became apparent that the Angels that God created first already had free will. eg Lucifer chose to disobey.

So why?

I still not sure why , so happy to hear peoples thoughts.
Thanks Robertt. For your question about why God created humans.

Isaiah tells us that it is for God's glory, and also so that people would know and believe God and understand that he is the only savior: "I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him...
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. "

It is important to note that these verses are talking about Jesus and the believers. In fact, often verses in the Bible that are talking about God creating, are actually being specific about God creating his own true believers. Jesus brings glory to God. Through Jesus, God created witnesses that know God and that believe God - that know and believe that he is the only saviour. God loves his own. We read about that in John 3:16. John 3:16 lets us know that in the following manner God loves the world: "he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. " It is wonderful to realize that God made what would not perish. Just as God does not perish. Thank you Lord, for your creation and for your love.
 

Genez

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Children born into families were taught the Law by families.
They still had the Holy Spirit involved and influencing their lives.

Since they did not have the HS indwelling to control the flesh like we can?
The Law was like an external sign on the road to direct them.

The Law could not give them the joy and happiness that only the Spirit provides.

Yes, they had the Holy Spirit then, Just not indwelling their bodies.
Samson is evidence to what I just said.

The Holy Spirit was present in the land of Israel as God willed it.
Just not in them to control them, therefore requiring the Law to control them.

For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit
what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other,
so that you are not to do whatever you want.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:17-18​


The Church has been given a special grace of the controlling indwelling Holy Spirit.
 

Genez

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#46
You are talking about Jeremiah chapter 4.

And we know they were ultimately tested after the fact because originally we see them as kind of robotic Worshipping and doing God's Will. But we see their free will when some choose to turn against God and Genesis 3, 6, 12, and elsewhere Psalms 83, Deuteronomy 32 shows us a different side including the Prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel directly dealing along with Gabriel informing Daniel about one specifically.
Speaking of Jeremiah 4.


Jeremiah 4:23
I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.



The same Hebrew found in Genesis 1:2. (Tohu wa bohu) is cited in Jeremiah 4:23!

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep,
and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 was not about some simple gentle moment in God creating the earth.
Genesis 1:2 speaks of utter ruin, chaos, and an eerie emptiness like we see in movies depicting a haunted house on a dark night.

Then Jeremiah amplifies what had taken place in Genesis 1:2, as follows.


Jeremiah 4....

23
I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.

(that was where we entered the Bible with Genesis 1:2)

24
I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.

(massive destruction of earth by universal earthquake)

25
I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
(all prehistoric humanoids killed along with animal life)


26
I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the Lord, before his fierce anger.
(all prehistoric civilizations lay in ruin)



The first world was judged by God. It was left in ruins!

Jeremiah was prophetically citing Genesis 1:2 to the Jews.
For the Jews spoke Hebrew and understood the utter power of God to destroy by judgment
as proclaimed of the prehistoric earth in Genesis.

Jeremiah cited Genesis 1:2 to let the rebellious Jews know that they were in for a very severe judgment by God!

As for us?
We now live in the second created world on earth.

grace and peace .........
 

lrs68

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#47
They still had the Holy Spirit involved and influencing their lives.

Since they did not have the HS indwelling to control the flesh like we can?
The Law was like an external sign on the road to direct them.

The Law could not give them the joy and happiness that only the Spirit provides.

Yes, they had the Holy Spirit then, Just not indwelling their bodies.
Samson is evidence to what I just said.

The Holy Spirit was present in the land of Israel as God willed it.
Just not in them to control them, therefore requiring the Law to control them.

For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit
what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other,
so that you are not to do whatever you want.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:17-18​


The Church has been given a special grace of the controlling indwelling Holy Spirit.
Yes, but the Spirit worked differently in ancient Hebrew days is the point I was making.
 

lrs68

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Speaking of Jeremiah 4.


Jeremiah 4:23
I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.



The same Hebrew found in Genesis 1:2. (Tohu wa bohu) is cited in Jeremiah 4:23!

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep,
and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 was not about some simple gentle moment in God creating the earth.
Genesis 1:2 speaks of utter ruin, chaos, and an eerie emptiness like we see in movies depicting a haunted house on a dark night.

Then Jeremiah amplifies what had taken place in Genesis 1:2, as follows.


Jeremiah 4....

23
I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.

(that was where we entered the Bible with Genesis 1:2)

24
I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.

(massive destruction of earth by universal earthquake)

25
I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
(all prehistoric humanoids killed along with animal life)


26
I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the Lord, before his fierce anger.
(all prehistoric civilizations lay in ruin)



The first world was judged by God. It was left in ruins!

Jeremiah was prophetically citing Genesis 1:2 to the Jews.
For the Jews spoke Hebrew and understood the utter power of God to destroy by judgment
as proclaimed of the prehistoric earth in Genesis.

Jeremiah cited Genesis 1:2 to let the rebellious Jews know that they were in for a very severe judgment by God!

As for us?
We now live in the second created world on earth.

grace and peace .........
I definitely agree with this viewpoint 100%

Some want to claim this was merely a warning but the fact it ties directly to the 2nd Verse of the beginning of the Creation story reveals this happened.

Even in Job, which is dated before the Torah [written wise], we see Job reference to cave people and to people before his creation. There's a lot of information that English translation misses because English speaking people are unaware about because of mistranslation.
 

lrs68

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#50
But you did nothing to explain how....
I assume people should know how. Only the priests and eventually the kings were covered in Anointing Oil which represents being filled with the Spirit. The average person was taught as a student and just obeyed.
 

Genez

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#51
I definitely agree with this viewpoint 100%

Some want to claim this was merely a warning but the fact it ties directly to the 2nd Verse of the beginning of the Creation story reveals this happened.

Even in Job, which is dated before the Torah [written wise], we see Job reference to cave people and to people before his creation. There's a lot of information that English translation misses because English speaking people are unaware about because of mistranslation.

It could not be merely a warning.

For in Jeremiah 4:27, he had to take it a step further, to let the Jews know that they would not be utterly destroyed like
they read in Genesis 1:2.

It was also a message to angels.
To let them know it would not be a repeat of Genesis 1:2.


For this is what the Lord says: “The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet, I will not execute a complete destruction. Jeremiah 4:27​


That also means?
The first destruction found in Genesis 1:2 was the end to that prehistoric world!

For those who have eyes to see.
It has been seen.

grace and peace ............
 

Genez

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I definitely agree with this viewpoint 100%

Some want to claim this was merely a warning but the fact it ties directly to the 2nd Verse of the beginning of the Creation story reveals this happened.

Even in Job, which is dated before the Torah [written wise], we see Job reference to cave people and to people before his creation. There's a lot of information that English translation misses because English speaking people are unaware about because of mistranslation.
Not only glimpses into prehistoric men.
But also glimpses of prehistoric animals.

“Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit. Job 40:15-17​
And, not to mention the creature found in Job 40:15-20​

Why mention these prehistoric animals?

For all eyes of the angels were on Job.
After all... Satan had just made a major wager with the Lord about Job.

And, with the angels all watching?
They could see that Job was being as a prophet, able to see the past that he had no part of.
It verified that God was working through Job!

It probably stunned the angels at first, to see Job commenting of the world that used to be theirs.
The one they left behind.
 

lrs68

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It could not be merely a warning.

For in Jeremiah 4:27, he had to take it a step further, to let the Jews know that they would not be utterly destroyed like
they read in Genesis 1:2.

It was also a message to angels.
To let them know it would not be a repeat of Genesis 1:2.


For this is what the Lord says: “The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet, I will not execute a complete destruction. Jeremiah 4:27​


That also means?
The first destruction found in Genesis 1:2 was the end to that prehistoric world!

For those who have eyes to see.
It has been seen.

grace and peace ............
I completely agree 100%
 

lrs68

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Not only glimpses into prehistoric men.
But also glimpses of prehistoric animals.

“Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit. Job 40:15-17​
And, not to mention the creature found in Job 40:15-20​

Why mention these prehistoric animals?

For all eyes of the angels were on Job.
After all... Satan had just made a major wager with the Lord about Job.

And, with the angels all watching?
They could see that Job was being as a prophet, able to see the past that he had no part of.
It verified that God was working through Job!

It probably stunned the angels at first, to see Job commenting of the world that used to be theirs.
The one they left behind.
Amen!
 

Kroogz

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Yeah yeah yeah but the Holy Spirit is in each believer today but back then only in the priests, prophets, and kings.
Still.The Holy Spirit was never IN anyone in the OT.

He was 'among', 'upon' or 'in their midst.'

The Holy Spirit always intervened in the OT and with the OT Saints. He just never indwelled them.


Priests, Kings, students, families.......He was in their midst.
 

lrs68

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Still.The Holy Spirit was never IN anyone in the OT.

He was 'among', 'upon' or 'in their midst.'

The Holy Spirit always intervened in the OT and with the OT Saints. He just never indwelled them.


Priests, Kings, students, families.......He was in their midst.
Exactly, like I originally said the Holy Spirit was used differently then.
 

MrE

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Still.The Holy Spirit was never IN anyone in the OT.

He was 'among', 'upon' or 'in their midst.'

The Holy Spirit always intervened in the OT and with the OT Saints. He just never indwelled them.


Priests, Kings, students, families.......He was in their midst.
Are you sure?

This seems to be a point without much of a point. It's no different. David prayed- 'Take not your Holy Spirit from me." Jesus had the Holy Spirit come upon him like a dove. Of Daniel it was said "There is a man in your kingdom who has within him a spirit of the holy gods."

Don't try to build a theology off of semantics.

What "wind" do you think entered into Ezekiel? Every outpouring of the spirit is an indwelling.
 

Genez

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Yeah yeah yeah but the Holy Spirit is in each believer today but back then only in the priests, prophets, and kings.
Not quite like us.
They had given to them what is called enduement from the Spirit.
Power that was given to perform a task.

The Holy Spirit did not take up a permanent residence with the person, and could be removed from them.

Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me." Ps 51:11​

In contrast to them, we, the Church, have the Spirit taking up permanent residence within our body.

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30​

We do not have the Spirit in us to simply perform some human task.

We have the Holy Spirit in us, with the intention from God, that The Spirit will lead us into all truth we will need to mature in Christ.

Few find it. Many keep on grieving the Spirit.