Let's say I create my own church and the two tenants for salvation are...

As a faithful follower of Christ you will seek fellowship with other believers and you are a member of the Church.

“Membership” in a local church is a human invention but it does show your submission to elders.

By the way, the word is “tenets”, not “tenants”.

Jesus often said, "Come and follow me."

But I think being a part of a Bible believing church that together worships God, and fellowships with one another is much needed.

Auto-correct brother. I meant "tenets".

You have good intentions as a hypothetical or potential church start.
Here is a practical principle I've realized as someone who's been there.

Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it:
Solomon

He was inspired by God and had more wisdom than we do or the Catholic Church.

That's a great scripture!

tenet is the correct spelling. 1 doesn't have to be a participating member off a church. sounds like you are saying they have to be active in the church. supplemental: a local church adopted a rule that if you are a member of that church you had to sign a paper saying that you MUST TITHE 10%. needless to say, a large split occurred.

Go for it. Believe what you want and teach what you want.
Seems like a new non-denominational church springs up every week or so in my area.
Get a loud band and a light show tell them you are anointed and promise all will get rich if they tithe.
We will see what God says when you stand before Him on judgment day.

You already said it didn't you? "my own Church". Yes words matter if we take the sub line you said "my" four times. Now I just see Tourist say the same thing so.. I am a tad late haha

The Catholic organisation bears only a passing resemblance to the true church. Luther found 95 reasons to reject it. It is possible to be both Catholic and saved. But the organisation is worldly, bound by traditions of men and promotes doctrines of demons. It's roots go back to the Babylonian religion. It is a typical example of syncretism. Why anyone would want to emulate it is beyond me.

I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, so to speak.

there are many Christians who do not believe it is possible to be catholic & saved:
1. the Holy Spirit lives with all born again Christians. if a catholic became saved, the Holy Spirit would convict that person of all the incorrect catholic practices.
2. if a person is truly saved as a born again Christian, he or she will act on the Holy Spirit's promptings & nudging to not attend a catholic church which is man's church.
3. said person will realize the hail mary prayer is invalid.
4.. & not to confess sins to a priest.
5. person will be living with a confused conscious.
6. a true heart for Jesus is attained by being a born again Christian. after all, God's word ONLY, is true.
7. right now, the only way i see that a person can be catholic & be saved is if that person just got saved then died a few seconds or minutes later.

I don't agree. I do believe that the Catholic organisation is Satan's work. However, I've met Catholics who are born again but who are bound by a fear or have another reason not to leave. Perhaps they will see the light eventually. If correct doctrine was the entry requirement to salvation, hardly a soul would be saved. Who has all the truth apart from Jesus?

I've also met died in the wool Pentecostals who are no more saved than our cat. It's not what you know, it's who you know. If you know Jesus, you have eternal life. Obviously I would sooner see Catholics freed from bondage to Catholicism. I also would love to see many more church attenders saved also. It's a terrible statistic that only about 4% of church attenders are born again.

Many years, the pastor of a Pentecostal church had a visiting evangelist who was employed by the denomination. The pastor asked him why he preached in churches. The evangelist told him it was the easiest way to get 300 unbelievers in one place. And no, he was not talking about unsaved visitors.

Yes, the RC cult, which remained cultish until if finally cancelled the Inquisition and begrudgingly acknowledged
Protestants as fellow Christians in the Vatican II documents.

Here are some excerpts from the HOB on our website (I had to divide them into two parts to fit):

From 1545-63, the Council of Trent met in 25 sessions under three popes to counter Protestant reforms. It affirmed the deutero-canonical books, church tradition, seven sacraments, purgatory, celibacy, Jerome’s Vulgate and papal authority. Nostradamus began making his astrological predictions in 1547. Calvin approved of the execution of Michael Servetus for “heresy” in 1553. John Knox led a presbyterian reform movement that established the Church of Scotland in 1560.

In 1610, followers of Jacob Arminius (called Remonstrants) published a document objecting to Calvin’s deterministic doctrine of predestination. The King James Bible was produced in 1611. Galileo was arrested by the RC Inquisition and prohibited from scientific work in 1616. The Synod of Dort condemned Arminianism in 1619. Pilgrims seeking separation from the Church of England founded a colony at Plymouth in 1620, governed by the Mayflower Compact. In 1621 Johann Kepler’s work was banned by RC. In Rhode Island its founder, Roger Williams, used the term “wall of separation” to describe the relation between religion and government and established religious liberty in his colony.

In 1648, George Fox founded the Society of Friends (Quakers), who valued inner light over dogmatism and creedalism. In 1651, Thomas Hobbes published Leviathan, in which he argued that it is in peoples’ rational self-interest to make a “social contract”, ceding personal liberty to an absolute sovereign for the sake of civil peace. In 1654, Blaise Pascal formulated theories of probability, later applying this to theology in his Pensees as “Pascal’s Wager”. In that year, Baruch Spinoza completed his Ethics, in which he espoused pantheism, determinism and Stoicism. In 1681, William Penn obtained a royal charter for Pennsylvania, where he guaranteed freedom of religion and elected government. In 1684, John Bunyan completed Pilgrim’s Progress, a Christian allegory. In 1689, John Locke published Two Treatises, the first rejecting the divine right of kings, and the second advocating for natural rights and consent of the governed.

In 1696, John Toland founded deism, stating in Christianity not Mysterious that reason is superior to revelation and what contradicts reason is not revelation. In 1710, Gottfried Leibniz published Theodicee, in which he espoused optimism, that God would create the best possible world. In 1716, Christianity was banned from China (like Japan in 1637). The first freemason Grand Lodge was formed in London in 1717. Freemasonry used the stonemasonry square and compass as symbols of virtue, and promoted service to the Great Architect, but prohibited discussion of politics and religion. (It was condemned by the Pope in 1736.) In 1722, Count Zinzendorf founded a Moravian settlement called Herrnhut, stressing that “there can be no Christianity without community” (communalism).

In 1730, John and Charles Wesley founded Methodism, seeking to revive the Church of England. In 1736, John Wesley (an Arminian) and George Whitefield (a Calvinist) led the “First Great Awakening” spiritual revival in the British colonies in America (revivalism), which encouraged living in accordance with New Testament teachings. In 1740, Frederick II allows freedom of worship and of the press in Prussia. In 1741, Jonathan Edwards delivered a famous sermon in Massachusetts, “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”, which popularized Calvinist theology.

In 1748, David Hume published A Treatise of Human Nature, which advocated skepticism–atheism and influenced Immanuel Kant. Also in 1748, Emanuel Swedenborg claimed to have a spiritual awakening and a commission from God to reform Christianity. He published Heaven and Hell in 1758, saying that both faith and charity are necessary for salvation. In 1749, Gotthold Lessing published The Freethinker, advocating freedom of thought and the sufficiency of human reason. In France, Voltaire, a deist, criticized the government and RC Church and devalued the Bible as an outdated human work, although saying, “If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him.” A contemporary, J.J. Rousseau, was exiled from France after he published Emile, or On Education in 1762, which espoused Unitarianism and religious equivalence, while rejecting sin and divine revelation. In 1777, Lessing published a work advocating tolerance of all religions. Joseph Priestley published A History of the Corruptions of Christianity in 1782, which influenced Thomas Jefferson’s ideology.

In 1785, William Paley published The Principles of Moral and Political Philosophy, in which he supported abolition of slavery, then in 1794 he wrote on natural theology, describing the teleological argument using the analogy of a watchmaker. About this time Jeremy Bentham propounded utilitarianism, which valued the greatest good as the primary ethical principle. He designed a prison called the Panopticon, which contained cells surrounding a central post for a hidden jailer, and advocated menial labor to help pay the cost of imprisonment. In 1791-92, Thomas Paine published The Rights of Man in defense of the French Revolution against criticisms by Edmund Burke, and then in 1794 The Age of Reason, criticizing organized religion and biblical inerrancy and advocating deism.

Continued...

Friedrich Schelling published System of Transcendental Idealism in 1800. He said that nature is visible spirit, and that history is the progressive disclosing of the Absolute. In 1818, Georg Hegel viewed Absolute Knowledge as evolving in a dialectical process of contradiction and negation, in which a thesis and its antithesis form a new and better or more complete synthesis, which in turn serves as the new thesis. Also in 1818, Arthur Schopenhauer published The World as Will and Idea, affirming Hinduism and Buddhism. In 1820, Friedrich Schleiermacher published The Christian Faith, in which he argued that dependence on God rather than understanding Him is fundamental. He rejected hell in favor of universalism.

In 1830, Joseph Smith published the Book of Mormon and founded the Latter-day Saints or Mormonism, teaching that his church was the only true denomination of Christianity. The Spanish Inquisition ended in 1834. In 1835, David Strauss pioneered the skeptical investigation of the life of Jesus by viewing all miraculous elements as mythical. In 1870, the First Vatican Council promulgated the dogma of papal infallibility. In 1871, Charles Russell founded the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a pacifist, Adventist sect, claiming to be the only true religion.

In 1875, Helena Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society, which taught that all religions were spiritually true, but imperfectly manifested. Also in 1875, Mary Baker Eddy published Science and Health, founding Christian Science, which taught that the universe is spiritual, evil is unreal, and understanding God results in healing. In 1883, Friedrich Nietzsche published Thus Spake Zarathustra, which declared God to be dead and sought to replace him with “the superman” race, advocating racism and implying moral nihilism. In 1886, Adolf von Harnack published History of Dogma, advocating practical Christianity or a social gospel and rejecting the Gospel of John as well as miracles.

In 1902, William James published The Varieties of Religious Experience, which promoted pragmatism and that truth includes value as well as existence. In 1903-1906, anti-Jewish pogroms (mob violence) occurred in Russia. In 1904, Max Weber published The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, arguing that religious ideals influenced the development of western economies and governments. In 1906, Albert Schweitzer published The Quest of the Historical Jesus, which followed Strauss (1835) in not finding much he deemed credible.

In 1919, Karl Barth published The Epistle to the Romans, reacting against the prevailing skepticism of theologians such as Schleiermacher (1820) and Harnack (1886) with a dialectical theology that noted the paradox in affirming both grace and judgment.
in 1923, Martin Buber published I and Thou, proposing that we may experience existence as object (“it”) or as relationship. In 1924, Emil Brunner published Mysticism and the Word, a neo-orthodox critique of liberal theology that upheld the centrality of Jesus as God incarnate.

In 1927, Martin Heidegger published Being and Time, which was influenced by Husserl and Kierkegaard and which influenced Sartre. In 1928, Rudolph Carnap and Moritz Schlick co-founded the Vienna Circle positivists (atheists). In 1932, Karl Jaspers published Philosophie, which built on Kierkegaard’s existentialism, noting that as we explore reality, we encounter borders that empirical science cannot cross, presenting the choice of sinking into despair or freely taking a leap of faith beyond objective time and space toward ultimate Transcendence and authentic existence.

In 1941 WWII prompted Reinhold Niebuhr to abandon pacifism and adopt “realism” in The Nature and Destiny of Man that would empower people against evil forces. Rudolf Bultmann applied form criticism to the Gospel of John and published New Testament and Mythology, which called for demythologizing the New Testament along the lines of Martin Heidegger’s temporal and existential categories, thereby clarifying the kerygma or gospel and increasing its palatability of theology in story form for modern scientific people.

In 1942, C.S. Lewis published The Screwtape Letters, in which the antagonist is not interested in tempting “the patient” to commit spectacular evil, but to become befuddle and slowly corrupted. In 1943, Jean-Paul Sartre was influenced by Heidegger to publish Being and Nothingness, which affirmed the freedom of the human being against being determined by physical causality. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was murdered for opposing Hitler in 1945. In his book, The Cost of Discipleship, he opposed cheap grace and advocated willingness to imitate the suffering of Christ for the cause of justice. Shintoism was abolished in Japan in 1945, and the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947.

Paul Tillich’s published The Courage to Be (1952), Dynamics of Faith (1957), and Systematic Theology (1951–63). He conceived of God as the “Ground of Being” and of faith an existential necessity. In 1952, Niebuhr published Christ and Culture, N.V. Peale preached “The Power of Positive Thinking”, and the Revised Standard Version of the Bible was published. In 1953, B.F. Skinner sought to explain human behavior in terms of operant conditioning.

In 1954, the American evangelist Billy Graham began preaching an ecumenical gospel as American Catholics began to question papal infallibility, and the World Council of Churches was convened. In 1955, P.T. de Chardin published The Phenomenon of Man, affirming theistic evolutionism and viewing Christ as its Omega point. In 1961 the New English Bible was published. In 1962, the Second Vatican Council began meeting, which officially ended the Inquisition against Protestants.

It's delusional.

By chance can you share the link to this information? Thank you.

It is on my Profile, but I am happy to share it with you here: <truthseekersfellowship.com>
(Google should find it; I don't know how to make a link.)

Feel free to use it as a resource, and to suggest errata or submit something to add if appropriate.

Hebrews 8:1-4

Authorized (King James) Version



8 Now of the things which we have spoken this isthe sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:


















FOOTNOTE

let's think this out: "bound by a fear or have another reason not to leave". the Holy Spirit overcomes ALL problems. so imagine a catholic thinking he or she is born again & let's say for 20 years. said person is missing the message about forsaking fears. & leaving. now cogitate on someone who is b.a. said person will recognize & answer the H.S.'s message to release fears & leave. remember 2nd Corinthians 5:17: "therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, old things aRe passed away, behold, ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW"! "see the light"? when, 30 years from now? doesn't make sense. "correct doctrine.... soul saved..." that's a switch from topic. here's another way to look at this: if what you said is true about fears & another reason to leave, then millions of people, by the law of averages, would suffer the same issue. no, can't happen. i don't believe someone can be b.a. but remain catholic.

Hate to put a pin in that bubble but ya kind of quenched it when you stated......create your own church.