Man imputed Jesus with sin on the cross, not God.

ATG · Sep 10, 2026

Cameron143 said:
What is the process by which man places their sins onto Jesus?

Good important question: How can our own sinning make us guilty of wrongly smiting Jesus' body on a cross? Afterall, we were not there.

Because all sin is committed against Christ, and not only against man.

Psa 51:3
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Not only the hands of His slayers were wicked, but also the hands of all men that sin against Christ. For Christ must come to die for the sins of all men, the Jew first and also the Gentile.

The offense of the cross, is not only that Jesus Christ the righteous was beaten and crucified by wicked hands, but that all we who have sinned against Him, are likewise made guilty of shedding His innocent blood.

Mat 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Act 5:27
And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us....

Jesus was not imputed with any sin on the cross, for He knew no sin. All men that sin are imputed with crucifying Him to a cross.

Heb 6:6
Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Cameron143 said:
You might want to look up what imputed means.

God defines impute as esteeming someone righteous or sinful.

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

As the prophecy and teaching of Scripture plainly says, without any opposition being made, only men imputes Jesus with sin, and smitten of God, as by law.

Jesus was not a blasphemer cursed of God on a tree.

Cameron143 said:
Mankind has neither the means or authority to impute anything to God.

Not so that God justifies it, but is done nonethess by men that justify themselves. Even as them that falsely accused, struck, afflicted, and smote Jesus as by law of blasphemy. They all believed they were slaying a blasphemer by law and will of God:

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

Isa 53:34
Yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

And not only the accusers, but all at the cross believed Jesus was a blasphemer as accused, condemned, and crucified. And imputed God with slaying Him as by law.

Lev 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

We see, that if we execute the law of God as commanded, then God Himself is the slayer by law. Therefore, if any man is executed as by law, whether innocent or guilty, then God is imputed to be the executioner, and so smitten of God.

They all believed, and all His disciples, that He was not the Son of God hanging on a cross, and so was 'legally' cursed and smitten by God.

ATG · Sep 10, 2026

Cameron143 said:
Some people can't be taught.

Grace and peace.

True. But not all teachers are seeking to convince and convert anyone, but only love of the truth of Scripture.

ATG · Sep 10, 2026

Dino246 said:
Nowhere in Scripture is it stated or suggested that the disciples considered Jesus "was imputed with sin and guilty by God, and smitten by law for blasphemy".

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

The prophet says so. And included himself. And therefore we all would have imputed Him with sin and smitten of God. Which is either by God Himself personally, or by His law.

Lev 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

And of course, the sin Jesus was falsely accused and imputed with, was blasphemy.

John 5:18
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself equal with God.

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.
The prophet says 'we', because by revelation of Christ, he was humble enough to know, that like all His disciples at the cross, he also would have forsaken Jesus.

And if any of us declare we are better than they, and would not have forsaken Him, but unlike Peter, would have believed and died with Him, then we are no better than those of Jesus' day, who delcared they would not have slain the prophets of old:

Mat 23:29
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Cameron143 · Sep 10, 2026

ATG said:
Good important question: How can our own sinning make us guilty of wrongly smiting Jesus' body on a cross? Afterall, we were not there.

Because all sin is committed against Christ, and not only against man.

Psa 51:3
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Not only the hands of His slayers were wicked, but also the hands of all men that sin against Christ. For Christ must come to die for the sins of all men, the Jew first and also the Gentile.

The offense of the cross, is not only that Jesus Christ the righteous was beaten and crucified by wicked hands, but that all we who have sinned against Him, are likewise made guilty of shedding His innocent blood.

Mat 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Act 5:27
And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us....

Jesus was not imputed with any sin on the cross, for He knew no sin. All men that sin are imputed with crucifying Him to a cross.

Heb 6:6
Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

God defines impute as esteeming someone righteous or sinful.

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

As the prophecy and teaching of Scripture plainly says, without any opposition being made, only men imputes Jesus with sin, and smitten of God, as by law.

Jesus was not a blasphemer cursed of God on a tree.

Not so that God justifies it, but is done nonethess by men that justify themselves. Even as them that falsely accused, struck, afflicted, and smote Jesus as by law of blasphemy. They all believed they were slaying a blasphemer by law and will of God:

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

Isa 53:34
Yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

And not only the accusers, but all at the cross believed Jesus was a blasphemer as accused, condemned, and crucified. And imputed God with slaying Him as by law.

Lev 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

We see, that if we execute the law of God as commanded, then God Himself is the slayer by law. Therefore, if any man is executed as by law, whether innocent or guilty, then God is imputed to be the executioner, and so smitten of God.

They all believed, and all His disciples, that He was not the Son of God hanging on a cross, and so was 'legally' cursed and smitten by God.

No. Man cannot impute anything upon God. It would make him as authoritative as God. While all sin may be against God, this in no way imputes our sin on Him. As well, none of the verses you cite say man imputes their sin on Christ. Just because a group condemns an individual, that doesn't rise to the level of imputing sin.

Simply put, none of the verses you cite means what you say.

ATG · Sep 10, 2026

Cameron143 said:
Acts 2:23.

Act 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

True. What's the question?

Are you saying that only they were guilty of His blood? Not all us that have sinned against Christ, are likewise guilty of His blood shed on a cross? Even though He must come to die for all our sins, and not only the hands that slew Him?

Did He not need come in the flesh and die for our sins, unless we have not sinned against Him? Or, because our own sins are not so evil as others, especially not to reject and crucify the Son of man?

Jas 2:9
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

ATG · Sep 10, 2026

Cameron143 said:
Proverbs 9:8-9.

Pro 9:8
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

So, which are you?

If you agree, then say so. If you don't, then show the error. I'd be glad to see it.

The teaching of Scripture is either true or not. It's not directed at anyone in particular. Afterall, even as the prophet does, I include we all in the great error at the cross.

Noentheless, if anyone is offended at the plain teaching of the Scripture, then that is between them and God by His prophet.

ATG · Sep 10, 2026

Deuteronomy said:
Hello again ATG, while it's made clear for us that all of the Lord's disciples scattered when He was arrested (Mark 15:50), why do you think that they did so (one, believed by most to be John Mark, at least tried to follow Jesus and His captors for a time, until he ended up being seized by them, escaping & then running away naked .. Mark 15:51, so again, why do you believe that he chose to do so ).

Hellow again to you to Deut

Good question. And very important. First of course, because Jesus prophesied they all would:

Jhn 16:32
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

And so, none of us can say we would not have, and made Him a liar. However, as to why Jesus' prophesy was fulfulled by all? And would have by us also like them?

Because of His perfect obedience to the Father, while in the hands of His accusers and beaters, and crucifiers:

Isaiah{50:5}
The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

Isa 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

We have to put ourselves in the shoes of the disciples at the cross. When we would not have already known, that Jesus is resurrected from the dead. Which proved He was indeed the Son of God with power, as He said;

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; {1:4} And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Would we have believed the man Jesus hanging on a cross as a cursed blasphemer, was instead the Son of God as He claimed? First, All the leaders condemned Him of blasphemy;

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

But most importantly is the fact, that the Son's obedience was so perfectly done, by the Father's command, and for our own sins, that no one could possibly believe He was the righteous Son of God to come with power, that he not only submitted to His accusers and slayers, but did not even offer up a single protest nor defence.

1 Pe 2:22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

A righteous man may be wrongly imputed and condemned as a transgressor, but will no doubt protest innocense, and most importantly at least give his defence when offered. Paul made his own defence, because he was not called by Jesus to lay down his life for his false accusers..

Among men, only a guilty man condemning himself, will offer no protest nor defence, and willingly submit to whatever the judge rules, even unto death. The consenting guilty may offer an apology, but not a defence. Jesus Christ did neither...

Mat 27:42
He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

His obedience as a Lamb to the slaughter was so perfect, that no one believed He could possibly be the Son of God, most of all His disciples.

And finally, since it was necessary that all were made unbelievers at the cross, so that any who repents to believe the gospel of His resurrection, may be forgiven and saved from sinning against Him, the Jew first and also the Gentile.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Jesus' glory at the cross is His perfection of obedience to the Father, for the sake of us.

Heb{5:8}
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

2Co 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

By the willingness of Jesus to be perfectly weak in the hands of men, God has power to draw all men unto repentance for His name's sake:

Jhn 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Paul no doubt is concluding the same for Jesus at the cross with all men, as it was for himself with the church at Corinth;

2Co 12:16
But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

By not using the power he had as an apostle to be burdensome of others, his willing weakness drew them to be charitable to him.

By not using His power the Son of God by resurrection, now draws all men to Himself to be repented with charity to all men;

2 Peter 1:3
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

Jesus perfectly fooled all men into consenting to His death, that He might gain the more by the foolishness of the cross.

1Co 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Deuteronomy said:
(we also know that the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, saw through the ruse of the Jewish leadership, as neither he nor his wife believed that Jesus was guilty of anything worthy of death ..

And yet, Pilate was consenting to His death, against his own conscience, as against Roman law.

Not just the law of God was abused by the leaders of Jews, but also the leading Roman failed in justice of Rome.

And so, all were made guilty at the cross, the Jew first and also the Gentile.

When it comes to laying down one's life, then good intentions alone are meaningless. Especially if we know the truth and do it not.

Jhn 3:21
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

James{1:22}
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Dino246 · Sep 10, 2026

ATG said:
Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

The prophet says so. And included himself. And therefore we all would have imputed Him with sin and smitten of God. Which is either by God Himself personally, or by His law.

No, he does not. There is nothing in Isaiah 53 about the subject being "imputed with sin".

ATG said:
Lev 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

And of course, the sin Jesus was falsely accused and imputed with, was blasphemy.

John 5:18
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself equal with God.

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.
The prophet says 'we', because by revelation of Christ, he was humble enough to know, that like all His disciples at the cross, he also would have forsaken Jesus.

And if any of us declare we are better than they, and would not have forsaken Him, but unlike Peter, would have believed and died with Him, then we are no better than those of Jesus' day, who delcared they would not have slain the prophets of old:

Mat 23:29
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

You have erroneously conflated "accused of sin" with "imputed with sin". They don't mean the same thing.

ATG · 2026-09-16T15:23:34-0400

Deuteronomy said:
What did you mean (specifically) when you said that God "imputed His Son with sin"

You've never heard it before? That God imputed Jesus with our sin?

It's the basis for OSAS justification apart from works: Their false traidtion is that God imputed Jesus with our sins on the cross, so that He paid the death price of our sins for us. Therefore, if we now sin, we do not have to pay the death price for our own evil doing.

It's the false basis for saying OSAS Christians are no longer condemned for their own continued sinning.

The recorded truth of Scripture, is that only men imputed Jesus with sin of blasphemy on the cross, and that their own unjust sinning against His body killed Him.

God did not impute Jesus' righteous soul with any man's sins, nor did He die by any sin to the Spirit of life. The only price for sin, that Jesus paid, was willingly submitting into the hands of sinful men, in obedience to the Father:

Isaiah{50:5}
The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

Act 2:22
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Jesus only died bodily by the cross, not spiritually on the cross.

ATG · 2026-09-16T15:52:31-0400

Deuteronomy said:
ATG said:
All men believed Jesus was made guilty of sin by blasphemy......:

Matthew 27
17 When the people gathered together, Pilate said to them, “Whom do you want me to release for you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?”
18 For he knew that because of envy they had handed Him over.
19 While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent him a message, saying, “Have nothing to do with that ~righteous~ Man; for last night I suffered greatly in a dream because of Him.”

John 19
5 Jesus then came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “Behold, the Man!”
6 So when the chief priests and the officers saw Him, they cried out saying, “Crucify, crucify!” Pilate said to them, “Take Him yourselves and crucify Him, for I find no guilt in Him.”

There's more that I'd like to discuss, but this is enough for now.

God bless you!!

--David

Knowing Jesus to be a righteous man, and finding no guilt in Him, is not confessing Jesus the Son of God.

He was false accused and imputed with the sin of blasphemy, for calling Himself the Son of God and making Himself equal with God.

All at the cross, and all His disciples according to prophecy, esteemed Him guilty and smitten of God as by law against blasphemy.

And not only they, but we all would have likewise forsaken Him and imputed Him guilty and smitten of God.

Isa 53:4
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

With all the good works and miracles He did for them by the Spirit of God, yet none of His disciples kept faith with Him as the Christ and Son of God. They all inmputed Him stricken, afflicted, and smitten of God as by law.

None believed the law was being abused by false leaders, and that He was indeed the promised Son come from God come in the flesh.

ATG · 2026-09-16T16:02:44-0400

Dino246 said:
Nowhere in Scripture is it stated or suggested that the disciples considered Jesus "was imputed with sin and guilty by God, and smitten by law for blasphemy".

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Esteemed is imputed. The guilty executed by law of God, is smitten of God.

We all at the cross imputed Him guilty and smitten of God as by law.

God did not impute Jesus was any sin, nor esteem Him smitten by law as a guilty blasphemer.

ATG · 2026-09-16T17:02:40-0400

Deuteronomy said:
Hello again ATG, while it's made clear for us that all of the Lord's disciples scattered when He was arrested (Mark 15:50), why do you think that they did so (one, believed by most to be John Mark, at least tried to follow Jesus and His captors for a time, until he ended up being seized by them, escaping & then running away naked .. Mark 15:51, so again, why do you believe that he chose to do so ).

You too Deut.

Mar 10:32
And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him,

Mar 16:8
And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

They were afraid before and after His crucifixion and resurrection, for the same reason they were afraid in the the storm at sea: By their unbelief

Mar 4:40
And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?

Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the...

None believed He was the Son of God hanging on a tree, as a guilty blasphemer, nor that He would rise again from the dead as the Son declared with power.

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Neither would have the prophet, nor any man, nor any of us, if we had been at the cross...

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Deuteronomy said:
Some of the rulers of the Jews (the Scribes & Pharisees) certainly seemed like they did, but where does the Bible tell us that the Apostles/Disciples did too

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Deuteronomy said:
(we also know that the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, saw through the ruse of the Jewish leadership, as neither he nor his wife believed that Jesus was guilty of anything worthy of death .. see again the ending Scriptures in post #5 above).

Finally, there is this verse (and others like it), a question that the Lord Jesus asked His Father while He was on the Cross, that must, of course, be considered.

Matthew 27
46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have ~You~ forsaken Me?”

And here we have the only challenge to the prophecy of Scripture, that it was only men and not God, that imputed Jesus with sin and smitten of God.

God the Spirit did depart from the Son on the cross, by the space of 3 hours of darkness over the land.

Jhn 19:28
After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

The Son was not thirsting for natural water, but for the Spirit.
But why? Only to fulfill prophecy, not because of any sin imputed to the Son by God.

However, there are 3 Persons of the Godhead, and the Father remained with the Son on the cross unto death:

Jhn 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Jhn 16:32
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
Therefore, for the prophecy to be fulfilled, then God the Spirit departed from the Son, but the Father never left Him alone on the cross, Because He was not imputed with any sin at all.
Hab 1:13
Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity:

This Scripture is also wrongly applied to Jesus on the cross, as though being imputed with our sins as cause of God forsaking Him.

The Spirit departed to fulfull prophecy alone, and the Father looked upon His own Son's soul without sin.

Psa 22:16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Isa 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

The Father saw the unjust travail of His righteous Son, not any sin imputed to Him. The Father looked upon the manner of the Son's own righteous soul unto death, though falsely accused, condemned, and esteemed smitten of God by all men, even His own disciples.

And the Father was well pleased in seeing His own dear Son's innocent soul, without any hatred nor reviling against any man on earth:

1 Pe 2:22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree.

Isa 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
The Son's heart and lips were pure of any evil intent, nor of any charge toward God. His obedience to the command of the Father was perfect inwardly and ourwardly unto the end:

Heb{5:8}
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Deuteronomy said:
Of course He couldn't, because the Lord Jesus was never guilty of sinning (personally), but the people for whom He died certainly were/are.

True, as all who sin against God are certainly guilty of death toward God.

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

All guilt of sin is personal to the soul. Only the person committing the sin is guilty of sinning.

No innocent and righteous man is guilty of another man's evil doing. Though a righteous man can be unjustly condemned and falsely made guilty by evil doers.

Deuteronomy said:
Jesus, the "spotless Lamb of God", died in our place/on our behalf, to do for us what we could never do for ourselves, atone for our sins and save us from them, and from His Father's wrath.

And so, you are trying to imply Jesus was imputed guilt for our sins, and paid our death price of sins, without saying so...?

Did the Father make the Son guilty of our sins, so that His soul died to the Father on a cross? Or not?

Do we still pay the price of death to God by our own sinning, if we do evil? Or not.

2Co 3:12
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

Davidstarr · 2026-09-16T17:32:45-0400

ATG said:
You too Deut.

Mar 10:32
And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him,

Mar 16:8
And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

They were afraid before and after His crucifixion and resurrection, for the same reason they were afraid in the the storm at sea: By their unbelief

Mar 4:40
And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?

Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the...

None believed He was the Son of God hanging on a tree, as a guilty blasphemer, nor that He would rise again from the dead as the Son declared with power.

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Neither would have the prophet, nor any man, nor any of us, if we had been at the cross...

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

And here we have the only challenge to the prophecy of Scripture, that it was only men and not God, that imputed Jesus with sin and smitten of God.

God the Spirit did depart from the Son on the cross, by the space of 3 hours of darkness over the land.

Jhn 19:28
After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

The Son was not thirsting for natural water, but for the Spirit.
But why? Only to fulfill prophecy, not because of any sin imputed to the Son by God.

However, there are 3 Persons of the Godhead, and the Father remained with the Son on the cross unto death:

Jhn 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Jhn 16:32
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
Therefore, for the prophecy to be fulfilled, then God the Spirit departed from the Son, but the Father never left Him alone on the cross, Because He was not imputed with any sin at all.
Hab 1:13
Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity:

This Scripture is also wrongly applied to Jesus on the cross, as though being imputed with our sins as cause of God forsaking Him.

The Spirit departed to fulfull prophecy alone, and the Father looked upon His own Son's soul without sin.

Psa 22:16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Isa 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

The Father saw the unjust travail of His righteous Son, not any sin imputed to Him. The Father looked upon the manner of the Son's own righteous soul unto death, though falsely accused, condemned, and esteemed smitten of God by all men, even His own disciples.

And the Father was well pleased in seeing His own dear Son's innocent soul, without any hatred nor reviling against any man on earth:

1 Pe 2:22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree.

Isa 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
The Son's heart and lips were pure of any evil intent, nor of any charge toward God. His obedience to the command of the Father was perfect inwardly and ourwardly unto the end:

Heb{5:8}
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

True, as all who sin against God are certainly guilty of death toward God.

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

All guilt of sin is personal to the soul. Only the person committing the sin is guilty of sinning.

No innocent and righteous man is guilty of another man's evil doing. Though a righteous man can be unjustly condemned and falsely made guilty by evil doers.

And so, you are trying to imply Jesus was imputed guilt for our sins, and paid our death price of sins, without saying so...?

Did the Father make the Son guilty of our sins, so that His soul died to the Father on a cross? Or not?

Do we still pay the price of death to God by our own sinning, if we do evil? Or not.

2Co 3:12
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

It was men that falsely accused Jesus of blasphemy and sedition. Not God.

But God laid on Jesus the consequences of the sins of His people so they might have eternal life:

Every Chrisitan should know John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
God "GAVE" His Son to save whoever believes.

II Cor 5:19-21 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

Nothing in scripture says God accused Jesus of any wrong doing.
BUT Jesus was the innocent lamb. Made to bear our sins to the cross.
He paid our debt by paying the penalty of sin.
He took our sins to the cross and they died there with Him.

Jesus was raised from the dead but our sins remain buried and forgotten.

Picture an old woman with bowed back trying to haul a wagon load of rock up a steep incline on a mountainside.
Someone younger, stronger takes her burden and hauls it up to the top of the cliff to dump it over into the abyss.
That person might fall and tumble over himself. But he is not the wagon load of rocks. Neither is the old woman.
He took the burden away from her and carried it up himself....

Delvianna · 2026-09-16T18:30:22-0400

Grace and forgiveness of sin is a gift. By definition, a gift cannot be imputed. You're putting something on someone that has no say when something is "imputed".

So no, man/humans cannot "impute" sin to God.

Dino246 · 2026-09-16T21:20:30-0400

ATG said:
Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Esteemed is imputed. The guilty executed by law of God, is smitten of God.

We all at the cross imputed Him guilty and smitten of God as by law.

God did not impute Jesus was any sin, nor esteem Him smitten by law as a guilty blasphemer.

Esteem: respect for or a good opinion of someone

Impute: to say that someone is responsible for something that has happened, especially something bad
(both from Cambridge Dictionaries)

Your assertion is hereby thoroughly refuted.

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