Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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Oh well, what are you going to do?
The Dead Sea Scrolls changed everything we know
For centuries, scholars debated whether the Greek translators simply deleted parts of Jeremiah they didn't like, or if the Masoretic scribes later inserted new verses. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran in the 1940s solved this mystery.

Archaeologists found Hebrew fragments of Jeremiah that matched the longer Masoretic Text, but they also found Hebrew fragments (specifically 4QJer^b and 4QJer^d) that perfectly matched the much shorter Greek Septuagint.

The Scholarly Consensus today:
Because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, textual scholars now agree that the Book of Jeremiah circulated in two different Hebrew editions during the Second Temple period:

Edition I (The Short Version): An earlier, shorter Hebrew text. This is the version the Greek translators used to create the Septuagint.

Edition II (The Long Version): A later, expanded Hebrew text. Over centuries, later editors and scribes updated, rearranged, and expanded the text, adding passages like Jeremiah 33:14-26. This longer version eventually became the standard Masoretic Text used in most modern Bibles today.

The Scholarly Consensus today:
Because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, textual scholars now agree that the Book of Jeremiah circulated in two different Hebrew editions during the Second Temple period:
Edition I (The Short Version): An earlier, shorter Hebrew text. This is the version the Greek translators used to create the Septuagint.
Edition II (The Long Version): A later, expanded Hebrew text. Over centuries, later editors and scribes updated, rearranged, and expanded the text, adding passages like Jeremiah 33:14-26. This longer version eventually became the standard Masoretic Text used in most modern Bibles today.
 
I know my Father, my Savior, and my Holy Comforter. I thank Him for the gift of the bible, from Genesis to Revelation. I thank Him for giving me insight into the Word whenever I ask Him too. Most of all I thank Him for His love for me.
As for the scholarly experts, I'm not really interested in what they have to say.
The Father, Holy Spirit, Son...rejoice the Lord out God is One! Hallelujah!
 
The Dead Sea Scrolls changed everything we know
For centuries, scholars debated whether the Greek translators simply deleted parts of Jeremiah they didn't like, or if the Masoretic scribes later inserted new verses. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran in the 1940s solved this mystery.

Archaeologists found Hebrew fragments of Jeremiah that matched the longer Masoretic Text, but they also found Hebrew fragments (specifically 4QJer^b and 4QJer^d) that perfectly matched the much shorter Greek Septuagint.

The Scholarly Consensus today:
Because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, textual scholars now agree that the Book of Jeremiah circulated in two different Hebrew editions during the Second Temple period:

Edition I (The Short Version): An earlier, shorter Hebrew text. This is the version the Greek translators used to create the Septuagint.

Edition II (The Long Version): A later, expanded Hebrew text. Over centuries, later editors and scribes updated, rearranged, and expanded the text, adding passages like Jeremiah 33:14-26. This longer version eventually became the standard Masoretic Text used in most modern Bibles today.

The Scholarly Consensus today:
Because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, textual scholars now agree that the Book of Jeremiah circulated in two different Hebrew editions during the Second Temple period:
Edition I (The Short Version): An earlier, shorter Hebrew text. This is the version the Greek translators used to create the Septuagint.
Edition II (The Long Version): A later, expanded Hebrew text. Over centuries, later editors and scribes updated, rearranged, and expanded the text, adding passages like Jeremiah 33:14-26. This longer version eventually became the standard Masoretic Text used in most modern Bibles today.

Well, that certainly led to some interesting reading and research. Maybe the answer can be found somewhere in Jeremiah 36. 😂

Jeremiah 36

27 Then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,

28 Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.

29 And thou shalt say to Jehoiakim king of Judah, Thus saith the Lord; Thou hast burned this roll, saying, Why hast thou written therein, saying, The king of Babylon shall certainly come and destroy this land, and shall cause to cease from thence man and beast?

30 Therefore thus saith the Lord of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.

31 And I will punish him and his seed and his servants for their iniquity; and I will bring upon them, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and upon the men of Judah, all the evil that I have pronounced against them; but they hearkened not.

32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.
 
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Nero didn't set himself up as God? He didn't persecute the church? God had no part in messing up his mind driving him to suicide?

Based on the scripture that cv5 provided for you, no, it doesn't look like it.

2 Thessalonians 2:8

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
 
Nero perhaps.
Another typical amil one-liner devoid of any supporting analysis or legitimate defense.

No rational person would or could conclude Nero is the character Paul is speaking about BTW.

The claim that the "Wicked" (or Man of Lawlessness) in 2 Thessalonians 2 is exclusively a reference to the 1st-century Roman Emperor Nero collapses when the biblical text is weighed directly against historical facts.

While Preterists (who argue most biblical prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70) often point to Nero because of his severe persecution of Christians, the specific criteria Paul lays out in 2 Thessalonians 2 simply do not match Nero’s life, actions, or death.

Here is the textual breakdown of why the Nero theory fails the biblical test:

The Manner of Death (Verse 8): Paul explicitly states that the Lord will destroy this Wicked figure "with the brightness of his coming" (epiphaneia tēs parousias—the manifestation of His presence). Nero was not destroyed by a divine or cosmic intervention. In June AD 68, after being declared a public enemy by the Roman Senate and fleeing to a suburban villa, a terrified Nero committed suicide by stabbing himself in the neck with the help of his private secretary.

The Temple Requirement (Verse 4): To understand verses 8-10, one must look at the context established four verses earlier. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 requires that this figure "sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." Nero never set foot in Jerusalem, let alone sat inside the Jewish Temple claiming to be God. While he demanded divine honors in Rome, he had no physical connection to the Temple in Jerusalem (which was still standing during his reign).

Signs and Lying Wonders (Verse 9): Paul describes a figure who operates with "all power and signs and lying wonders" fueled by Satan. Roman historians (like Tacitus and Suetonius) document Nero as a brutal tyrant, a megalomaniac, an actor, and a deeply paranoid ruler, but there is no historical record of him performing supernatural feats, dark miracles, or "lying wonders" to deceive the masses into worshiping him.

The AD 70 Timeline Problem: Preterists generally view Christ's "coming" in verse 8 as a spiritual coming in judgment against Jerusalem, fulfilled by the Roman destruction of the Temple in AD 70. However, Nero died in AD 68. He could not have been destroyed by a judgment event that happened two years after his own suicide.

Global Deception vs. Political Tyranny (Verse 10): The text speaks of a spiritual deception ("deceivableness of unrighteousness") where people perish because they "received not the love of the truth." Nero did not deceive the Christian world or the Jewish world into following a false religion; he subjected them to raw, violent political persecution. He was universally feared and despised by the end of his reign, not embraced as a deceptive religious savior.
 
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What ever you are trying to turn that into I am not sure.
You jumped on a first fruits theme, which may not be applicable.

As for what I did say?
It is truth.

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church.
OK....

The 144,000 are not the Church.
That means Jesus cannot lead them?

Jesus led Moses. Was Moses the Church?
Was Ezekiel? Isaiah?

Like I said... The Tribulation is the continuation of the Jewish age.
I am pointing to the subject matter of the 144,000.
THEY ARE FIRSTFRUITS ...FACT.
JESUS IS OUR FIRSTFRUITS...FACT.

THAT is 2 entirely different dynamics.

If the 144,000 are FIRSTFRUITS , THEN what are they firstfruits of?????

That is my point.
It is cannonized eternally in Gods word.

You can not proceed with your doctrine with that obstacle in the way.
 
What ever you are trying to turn that into I am not sure.
You jumped on a first fruits theme, which may not be applicable.

As for what I did say?
It is truth.

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church.
OK....

The 144,000 are not the Church.
That means Jesus cannot lead them?

Jesus led Moses. Was Moses the Church?
Was Ezekiel? Isaiah?
.
Like I said... The Tribulation is the continuation of the Jewish age.
Double post
 
But they are Jews, not to becoming the Bride of Christ.
Just like Moses is not the Bride, nor Isaiah.

Moses was born again.
He was a regenerate Jew.

"Born again" did not always mean automatically having the indwelling Holy Spirit like the church does.
It meant that the Holy Spirit begat a human spirit so that a believer could know the things of God.

When Jesus spoke to Nicodemus?
There was no church!
Jesus (as a rabbi) was telling Jewish Nicodemus that he needed to become a regenerate Jew to know He is the Christ.

Too many still get confused about being born again.
Here is what Jesus told Jewish Nicodemus what "born again" means.

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not ​
be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ John 3:6​

The Holy Spirit gave birth to our human spirit when we believed!

But at Pentecost?
A new thing happened!

The Holy Spirit now entered and took up permanent residency within a born-again person!

Thus?
Making the already born-again Peter to become a new creation in Christ!

There is still a great deal of confusion about the meaning of "born-again".
Having a human spirit makes one able to comprehend spiritual realities.

But having the indwelling Holy Spirit?

That makes one not just able to know spiritual things but also be able to live spiritual realities.
To live them by the power of God's grace provided by the Spirit filling us.

grace and peace....
There are 2 wives.
Gomer.
Ruth.

Rev 14 is not the bride of christ.
Rev 14 is Gomer, illustrated in Hosea, and prophesied she would be re purchased in romans chapters 9-11
 
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God's words stands.... clear and precise.

Acts 3:24 NKJV — “Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days.
 
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Attention: Information provided courtesy of propaganda stations CBN, Fox News, Daily Wire and various affiliates.
I was convinced that replacement theology was in error before any of those organisations existed. I did not know that it was possible to be born again and at the same time reject God's word regarding Israel. I was saved in 1972. I did not know much about Israel. That began to change in 1973. God did miracles to save Israel from annihilation.

I've learned a lot more since then. I don't get my theology from the media. The 8 million Jews in Israel is a fact, not a news item. 400 million Muslims in the Middle East is fact, not a news item. Israel being restored as a nation in 1948 is fact, not a news item.

I don't know why you refuse to accept God's word. That's your problem, along with other anti Semites.There is nothing new about Jew hatred, which is why Israel exists now. The Jews thought that they would be safe in their own land. Even that is a struggle.

The world hates Israel because it hates God. It is shameful that Christians follow the world along the same path.​
 
Faith in what Yeshua did and allowing Him to lead me is what got me to the Father. It certainly wasn't anything I did. Apart from being desperate, that is.
"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God," - Ephesians 2:8
Yes well said. Jesus the way, the only way !!! You are blessed for being in Jesus!!!
Blessings.
 
I was convinced that replacement theology was in error before any of those organisations existed. I did not know that it was possible to be born again and at the same time reject God's word regarding Israel. I was saved in 1972. I did not know much about Israel. That began to change in 1973. God did miracles to save Israel from annihilation.

I've learned a lot more since then. I don't get my theology from the media. The 8 million Jews in Israel is a fact, not a news item. 400 million Muslims in the Middle East is fact, not a news item. Israel being restored as a nation in 1948 is fact, not a news item.

I don't know why you refuse to accept God's word. That's your problem, along with other anti Semites.There is nothing new about Jew hatred, which is why Israel exists now. The Jews thought that they would be safe in their own land. Even that is a struggle.

The world hates Israel because it hates God. It is shameful that Christians follow the world along the same path.​

Once you use the hatred and anti-Semite card you loose all credibility in my book.
 
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I was convinced that replacement theology was in error before any of those organisations existed. I did not know that it was possible to be born again and at the same time reject God's word regarding Israel. I was saved in 1972. I did not know much about Israel. That began to change in 1973. God did miracles to save Israel from annihilation.

I've learned a lot more since then. I don't get my theology from the media. The 8 million Jews in Israel is a fact, not a news item. 400 million Muslims in the Middle East is fact, not a news item. Israel being restored as a nation in 1948 is fact, not a news item.

I don't know why you refuse to accept God's word. That's your problem, along with other anti Semites.There is nothing new about Jew hatred, which is why Israel exists now. The Jews thought that they would be safe in their own land. Even that is a struggle.

The world hates Israel because it hates God. It is shameful that Christians follow the world along the same path.​
The world hates Israel state because they bombed everyone around in middle east. Murdered millions, and millions became refugees.
Look into the history starting 1946, king David hotel bombing. And all the bombing after that.