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Let us change the question
If you are a Christian, and you have a bad habit. (Cussing / getting jealous or angry easily / speak of other people being foolosh when you don't agree with them etc...) ... do you go to hell?
.. or are you saved by the blood of Christ?
We have all sinned. And I know not ONE Christian who has stopped sinning. So.... why do people try to make it different for gay people? There is two solutions:
ALL those who sin after accepting Christ go to to hell because they loose their salvation
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ALL who accepted Christ to go haven because they are saved by His blood
If you are a Christian, and you have a bad habit. (Cussing / getting jealous or angry easily / speak of other people being foolosh when you don't agree with them etc...) ... do you go to hell?
.. or are you saved by the blood of Christ?
We have all sinned. And I know not ONE Christian who has stopped sinning. So.... why do people try to make it different for gay people? There is two solutions:
ALL those who sin after accepting Christ go to to hell because they loose their salvation
or
ALL who accepted Christ to go haven because they are saved by His blood
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Sin is Sin. We ALL do it to varying degrees. Since we are sinners, why should we judge others for sinning....even if it's a different sin than we are partial to? By judging another for transgressing the law, we condemn ourselves in the process. I for one hope for mercy and regardless if someone is gay, or a murderer.....I hope they get mercy too.
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When I discovered that God really loved me deeply, my first inclination was gratefulness and relief but my second was to think that I had somehow earned God's love by living a good life since conversion. God quickly set me straight on that by telling me that God's love is not earned but rather given as a gift of grace and that His love cannot be earned through good works (though as a holy God He delights in our progressive sanctification). It was then I realized that it had been my own ego (e.g. ego eimi*) pushing me to believe I had or could somehow earn God's love rather than thankfully appropriate it and apply it as the gracious gift that it is.
*I use the word ego in it's classical ego eimi Greek definition.
*I use the word ego in it's classical ego eimi Greek definition.
The difference between a sinning unbeliever and a sinning believer is that one loves his sin while the other hates it. The believer who stumbles in his walk with the Lord regrets it, confesses it, wishes to never do it again and seeks to appropriate God’s power and grace to avoid it. He doesn’t consider how much he can sin and still be considered a Christian. Rather, he considers how he can avoid even the appearance of sin in the future
Jesus did not forbid judging.
"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:3-5)
This means to consider our own faults before nothing the faults of others. After we have honestly examined ourselves, it is then acceptable to note the fault of another, and then we are to help them turn away from their sin.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment" (John 7:24)
When we are called upon by the circumstances of any given situation to make a judgment about spiritual matters, the judgment we make cannot be based on our own standards. Personal opinion has no part in spiritual matters and all opinion is equally useless. The standard by which we will be judged is the words of Jesus.
Jesus did not forbid judging.
"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:3-5)
This means to consider our own faults before nothing the faults of others. After we have honestly examined ourselves, it is then acceptable to note the fault of another, and then we are to help them turn away from their sin.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment" (John 7:24)
When we are called upon by the circumstances of any given situation to make a judgment about spiritual matters, the judgment we make cannot be based on our own standards. Personal opinion has no part in spiritual matters and all opinion is equally useless. The standard by which we will be judged is the words of Jesus.
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Yes Elizabeth; however, a proper understanding of 1 Corinthians 6:11 is necessary to put the passage in 1 Corinthians 6 in context.
11 And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Barne's notes on the Bible states, "This denotes the progressive and advancing process of purifying which succeeds regeneration in the Christian. Regeneration is the commencement of it - its close is the perfect purity of the Christian in heaven; see the note at John 17:17. It does not mean that they were perfect - for the reasoning of the apostle shows that this was far from being the case with the Corinthians; but that the work was advancing, and that they were in fact under a process of sanctification."
To give that some real life narrative consider the case of Lonnie Frisbee. After walking the earth like John the Baptist, with millions being led to Christ directly and indirectly through the ministry of God on his life, he succumbs to old habits and dies of aids as a result. Yet everyone that knew him stated he fully repented and died in Christ.
I'm not trying to make a statement of empirical finality here but just offering some food for thought.
11 And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Barne's notes on the Bible states, "This denotes the progressive and advancing process of purifying which succeeds regeneration in the Christian. Regeneration is the commencement of it - its close is the perfect purity of the Christian in heaven; see the note at John 17:17. It does not mean that they were perfect - for the reasoning of the apostle shows that this was far from being the case with the Corinthians; but that the work was advancing, and that they were in fact under a process of sanctification."
To give that some real life narrative consider the case of Lonnie Frisbee. After walking the earth like John the Baptist, with millions being led to Christ directly and indirectly through the ministry of God on his life, he succumbs to old habits and dies of aids as a result. Yet everyone that knew him stated he fully repented and died in Christ.
I'm not trying to make a statement of empirical finality here but just offering some food for thought.
i think if they hate the sin they are committing and genuinely try to repent and stop it, even if feeling hopeless for perhaps years, but it's a constant struggle, then i think they will go to heaven. i think pastors who preach homosexuality is ok and use the word of God in such a way that it becomes allowable to be homosexual and those who practice the act remain bound in that sin with no conscience about it, or no signs of hating it, or no signs of even wanting to quit, may need to examine themselves and worry if they are really saved to begin with.
the Holy Spirit would convict them. we all sin, we all struggle with sins specific to us. when we beat one sin, we are convicted and shown another. it's a never-ending process. willful sins, with lack of conviction is a sign of not being saved to begin with. being gay will not prevent entry into heaven in my opinion, if the person struggles with it and in their heart truly battle against it and hate it (even if they indulge in it at times). those who embrace it in their hearts with no repentance may be in danger of losing their souls.
the Holy Spirit would convict them. we all sin, we all struggle with sins specific to us. when we beat one sin, we are convicted and shown another. it's a never-ending process. willful sins, with lack of conviction is a sign of not being saved to begin with. being gay will not prevent entry into heaven in my opinion, if the person struggles with it and in their heart truly battle against it and hate it (even if they indulge in it at times). those who embrace it in their hearts with no repentance may be in danger of losing their souls.
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