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Homosexuality doesn't exist in heaven; nor does heterosexuality for the matter either. God is called the Father, and his people are called his children; you don't sleep with or fall in love romantically with your brothers and sisters.
With that said, homosexuality is considered a sin; some people complain that they were " born that way," so therefore it isn't fair of God. Everyone was born of some type of fatal sin that will forfeit us from the heavenly kingdom.
It really is a testament of your faith whether your more concerned with what your flesh wants as far as sexuality goes, or whether you have a heart enough for God to give up that lifestyle simply to please him. Your rewards in heaven will probably be incredible because God will see that you put that lifestyle aside for the sake of your soul and his love.
Homosexuality - people make a big deal about it because they believe that it is one of the more worse sins - but the more worse sins tend to do with arrogance and a rebellious heart towards God, which is what the gospels in the New testament stress about for our current times and peoples. Really, at the heart of everyone's sin whether it's homosexuality or just lust as a heterosexual - is rebellion, because your consciously choosing to abide by your sinful nature instead of trying to overcome it which was the point of the earth's creation in the first place.
That is why Revelations details the Holy Spirit talking to the people of our time and saying, " to him who overcomes, I will give this amazing thing and that amazing thing" ( not word for word lol, but it's the part of Revelations concerning the 7 churches.)
" To he who overcomes."
Meaning, overcome your sin. Overcome your rebellious nature, and you will be cleansed and able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
In all honesty I must add, the bible specifies that it's actually better to not marry or even be in a relationship whether you are gay or not. If you happen to fall in love with someone, then your supposed to stick with that person only - married or not because to sleep with another person even after breaking up or lusting after another after breaking up, is considered adultery biblically.
Why the bible says this in the New Testament, is simply preparing us for really entering the kingdom of heaven - and like I said, there are no relationships there - just brotherly, sisterly, and parental love.
The flesh is made from the dust of the earth, so that is the only reason we feel sexual urges is due to biological hormones and chemicals. Homosexuality is yet to be proven a naturally occurring thing, but I don't know enough to speak on that either way.
But whether your homosexual or heterosexual, your flesh is your flesh - and the flesh is the sinful nature.
You either overcome it.
Or
You don't.
I've been really wanting to fall in love and be with a great guy for some time now; I'm a fairly attractive girl so I do get a decent amount of male attention. However, I keep praying to God to keep my mind off men and focused on him, getting to heaven, and trudging along this listless world until he finally comes to smite the mashugana out of the wicked and take us back to the life we really belong too.
Yeah it sucks not to fall in love because that's what my body wants and my worldly mind wants - but is God evil or bad for this preposition? Not at all. If it's Father's established ways that this is the reality, then so be his ways.
I'm sick of getting all huffy over menial matters.
I mean think about it -
A temporary romp for maybe 60 or so years of a temporary life with a partner - or the eternal Kingdom of Heaven which is greater than anything anyone can imagine?
I choose heaven.
Besides, if you get rid of the sex and romance with a significant other, they really function more like a brother or sister anyway - looking out for you, loving you, protecting you, enjoying your company etc.
Sex and sexuality are both overrated.
The world teaches us to abide by these things and live by them.
No thanks. I like God's way because the world's way is Satan's way.
And Satan is doomed for destruction.
God Bless.
With that said, homosexuality is considered a sin; some people complain that they were " born that way," so therefore it isn't fair of God. Everyone was born of some type of fatal sin that will forfeit us from the heavenly kingdom.
It really is a testament of your faith whether your more concerned with what your flesh wants as far as sexuality goes, or whether you have a heart enough for God to give up that lifestyle simply to please him. Your rewards in heaven will probably be incredible because God will see that you put that lifestyle aside for the sake of your soul and his love.
Homosexuality - people make a big deal about it because they believe that it is one of the more worse sins - but the more worse sins tend to do with arrogance and a rebellious heart towards God, which is what the gospels in the New testament stress about for our current times and peoples. Really, at the heart of everyone's sin whether it's homosexuality or just lust as a heterosexual - is rebellion, because your consciously choosing to abide by your sinful nature instead of trying to overcome it which was the point of the earth's creation in the first place.
That is why Revelations details the Holy Spirit talking to the people of our time and saying, " to him who overcomes, I will give this amazing thing and that amazing thing" ( not word for word lol, but it's the part of Revelations concerning the 7 churches.)
" To he who overcomes."
Meaning, overcome your sin. Overcome your rebellious nature, and you will be cleansed and able to enter the kingdom of heaven.
In all honesty I must add, the bible specifies that it's actually better to not marry or even be in a relationship whether you are gay or not. If you happen to fall in love with someone, then your supposed to stick with that person only - married or not because to sleep with another person even after breaking up or lusting after another after breaking up, is considered adultery biblically.
Why the bible says this in the New Testament, is simply preparing us for really entering the kingdom of heaven - and like I said, there are no relationships there - just brotherly, sisterly, and parental love.
The flesh is made from the dust of the earth, so that is the only reason we feel sexual urges is due to biological hormones and chemicals. Homosexuality is yet to be proven a naturally occurring thing, but I don't know enough to speak on that either way.
But whether your homosexual or heterosexual, your flesh is your flesh - and the flesh is the sinful nature.
You either overcome it.
Or
You don't.
I've been really wanting to fall in love and be with a great guy for some time now; I'm a fairly attractive girl so I do get a decent amount of male attention. However, I keep praying to God to keep my mind off men and focused on him, getting to heaven, and trudging along this listless world until he finally comes to smite the mashugana out of the wicked and take us back to the life we really belong too.
Yeah it sucks not to fall in love because that's what my body wants and my worldly mind wants - but is God evil or bad for this preposition? Not at all. If it's Father's established ways that this is the reality, then so be his ways.
I'm sick of getting all huffy over menial matters.
I mean think about it -
A temporary romp for maybe 60 or so years of a temporary life with a partner - or the eternal Kingdom of Heaven which is greater than anything anyone can imagine?
I choose heaven.
Besides, if you get rid of the sex and romance with a significant other, they really function more like a brother or sister anyway - looking out for you, loving you, protecting you, enjoying your company etc.
Sex and sexuality are both overrated.
The world teaches us to abide by these things and live by them.
No thanks. I like God's way because the world's way is Satan's way.
And Satan is doomed for destruction.
God Bless.
80% of people are bi-sexual and it's not homosexuality that is wrong, what's wrong was sodomy. Adam and Eve were commanded to be fruitful and multiply (the positive sexual command) and not to eat from the tree of knowledge-no sodomy(the negative sexual command. It was important to populate the earth and then to multiply the children of Israel. The purpose of sex is procreation but we've reached a point in human history where that is no longer necessary.
My goodness Rachel. Was the original Rachel this assertive? Well... yes she was. And what she received for her assertiveness was to be made part of the very linage of Christ and God's plan of salvation for the entire world! That's quite an accomplishment. You go girl. 
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This is incredibly hateful. As Christians we are called to love, not to hate. Here is food for thought: for those Christians who are most interested in what Jesus has to say, get this: Jesus says absolutely nothing about homoerotic desire! Most Christians quote Paul's words in Romans 1:26-27, and there are two other references to homoerotic desire in the New Testament (compare this small number to the very large number of references to other sexual sins, such as fornication and adultery). Jesus, on the other hand, says that the divorced person who remarries commits adultery: a sin so awful as to warrant death during biblical times! Yet many Christians have no problem with divorced heterosexuals remarrying, thereby sanctioning sin (adultery)! Why are Christians so hateful to homosexuals? Jesus tells us to love God above all and our neighbor as ourselves. This commandment is found throughout the New Testament. Biblical scholars have a name for this: the love command. We, as Christians, are called to love. Let a person's sin be between that person and God. We all sin -- each one of us. Are all of us then going to go to Hell, or are we saved through Jesus? In Luke 10:25, a man asks Jesus what must he do to inherit eternal life. Jesus agrees when the man responds with the love command. Please love. This is what we are foremost called to do.
Go to the word of God, repent as commanded, an do NOT follow the liberal ministers of sin, what is important is what God says about certial behaviors!
Homosexuality Is An ABOMINATION In The Eyes Of God!!!
Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV)
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
1 Corinthians 6:9 (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Romans 1:24 (KJV)
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26 (KJV)
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 (KJV)
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Homosexuality Is An ABOMINATION In The Eyes Of God!!!
Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV)
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
1 Corinthians 6:9 (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Romans 1:24 (KJV)
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26 (KJV)
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 (KJV)
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Paul was given authority through Christ to prophecy. What Paul speaks of are not his words, but Gods. The excuse that "Jesus didn't say it" is irrelevant. To deny the authority given to an apostle is pretty well calling the bible a lie.
In Matthew Jesus does speak on marriage and plainly says marriage is between a man, and a woman. He does not say
"two people" which could indicate same sex marriage is ok. It is MAN and WOMAN.
Also, since I just brought up same sex marriage we can then conclude if Jesus said marriage was between man and woman that he would not find gay marriage acceptable in his eyes now would he? Now I am not married. Never have been, but from what I understand that consumation of marriage is sexual intercourse. Sex outside of marriage is fornication. Fornication is an abomination isn't it? If God does not recognize gay marriage then would it not be seen as fornication?
Also, it may be difficult for some people to grasp this, but when a Christian speaks about sins they are generally speaking about what the bible says. It is not THEM condemning the sin, but pointing out what the word of God states. I do understand some people do not like to talk about such things and like to throw out judging in defense of them not speaking up against things that are not God approved, but I would find it to be more hateful to turn my back, and say "It's between you and God" than to explain to them why something is a sin which could very well result in eternal torment if they do not seek salvation.
Speaking against homosexuality is not HATE. If I hated gay people I would support their lifestyle, but because I love them I would not support it and also help them to see the right path.
While we do not know man's heart Jesus said "if you love me you will keep my commandments" Love means obedience. Love does not mean being a coward. Love does not mean riding the fence on an issue. Love does not mean being afraid to stand up for what is right. Sin is not keeping his commandments. If you continue to sin then how is that love? Contining to live in a sinful lifestyle(no matter what it may be) is showing you love yourself and other things over God.
As a Christian we should help those who are lost. Not helping them is hate, and sometimes the truth does hurt, but once you find Jesus that hurt is gone.
In Matthew Jesus does speak on marriage and plainly says marriage is between a man, and a woman. He does not say
"two people" which could indicate same sex marriage is ok. It is MAN and WOMAN.
Also, since I just brought up same sex marriage we can then conclude if Jesus said marriage was between man and woman that he would not find gay marriage acceptable in his eyes now would he? Now I am not married. Never have been, but from what I understand that consumation of marriage is sexual intercourse. Sex outside of marriage is fornication. Fornication is an abomination isn't it? If God does not recognize gay marriage then would it not be seen as fornication?
Also, it may be difficult for some people to grasp this, but when a Christian speaks about sins they are generally speaking about what the bible says. It is not THEM condemning the sin, but pointing out what the word of God states. I do understand some people do not like to talk about such things and like to throw out judging in defense of them not speaking up against things that are not God approved, but I would find it to be more hateful to turn my back, and say "It's between you and God" than to explain to them why something is a sin which could very well result in eternal torment if they do not seek salvation.
Speaking against homosexuality is not HATE. If I hated gay people I would support their lifestyle, but because I love them I would not support it and also help them to see the right path.
While we do not know man's heart Jesus said "if you love me you will keep my commandments" Love means obedience. Love does not mean being a coward. Love does not mean riding the fence on an issue. Love does not mean being afraid to stand up for what is right. Sin is not keeping his commandments. If you continue to sin then how is that love? Contining to live in a sinful lifestyle(no matter what it may be) is showing you love yourself and other things over God.
As a Christian we should help those who are lost. Not helping them is hate, and sometimes the truth does hurt, but once you find Jesus that hurt is gone.
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No, I am pretty sure the bible is clear about that. Here is a youtube video or audio of a great preacher who actually mentions homosexuals not getting to heaven. It is a "Letter from God" that I truly think all Christians will love! Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AyynFYNHB8
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God desires truth all the way down into the inward parts so that we may be wise (Psalms 51:6). In the Bible, we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. This relationship is a hallmark of the Christian life and Biblical theology.
Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:
1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).
2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin to serve God and our fellows).
Neither is acceptable.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's commandments and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.
It's obvious to me from your post that you have failed to align your theology with scripture choosing the error of antinomianism.
Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:
1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).
2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin to serve God and our fellows).
Neither is acceptable.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's commandments and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.
It's obvious to me from your post that you have failed to align your theology with scripture choosing the error of antinomianism.
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Paul says in Romans 10:9
If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
If our salvation depended on our not sinning, we would all be condemned -- homosexual and heterosexual alike.
Which of these sins condemns you (Mark 7:21-22): fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly? (notice, those of you who mark the homosexual, that homoeroticism is not mentioned in Jesus' list)
If it were not for Jesus, we would all be condemned! Thanks be to God for Jesus!
If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
If our salvation depended on our not sinning, we would all be condemned -- homosexual and heterosexual alike.
Which of these sins condemns you (Mark 7:21-22): fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly? (notice, those of you who mark the homosexual, that homoeroticism is not mentioned in Jesus' list)
If it were not for Jesus, we would all be condemned! Thanks be to God for Jesus!
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If we love the homosexual by condemning homoeroticism, then to be consistent with Jesus' words, we should love the divorced person by insisting that he or she be celibate (since fornication is a sin, and the divorced person who remarries commits adultery -- a sin). So why don't most of us do this? Why do we mark the homosexual and permit divorced people to remarry?
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"Professor"'s position is fallacious. Obviously we can love someone engaging in homosexual acts enough to point out that those acts have been judged sinful by God and lead to condemnation. Obviously we can also love someone engaging in adulterous acts enough to point out that those acts have been judged sinful by God and lead to condemnation. There is no dichotomy.
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He obviously didn't read all the posts in this thread or he would have seen that would you say is true and also would have seen that we have gone out of our way to point out, and I quote:
"It's true the Bible doesn't speak of 'being gay' but only of people who commit homosexual acts with relation to homosexuality. It's the commission of homosexual acts the Bible condemns, not the propensity for temptation of a specific sexual sin. In terms of imagery the Bible does not have the category 'homosexuality,' but rather 'homosexual behavior' or 'homosexual acts.' This idea of homosexuality as an 'identity' is a modern liberal construction."
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57906-gays-heaven-2.html#post913720
But he never even bothered to read the posts in this thread before issuing a false condemnation of us in which he used fallacious logic to argue that one could not love a homosexual enough to explain to them that homosexual acts have been judged by God as sinful and failure to repent can lead to condemnation.
"It's true the Bible doesn't speak of 'being gay' but only of people who commit homosexual acts with relation to homosexuality. It's the commission of homosexual acts the Bible condemns, not the propensity for temptation of a specific sexual sin. In terms of imagery the Bible does not have the category 'homosexuality,' but rather 'homosexual behavior' or 'homosexual acts.' This idea of homosexuality as an 'identity' is a modern liberal construction."
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57906-gays-heaven-2.html#post913720
But he never even bothered to read the posts in this thread before issuing a false condemnation of us in which he used fallacious logic to argue that one could not love a homosexual enough to explain to them that homosexual acts have been judged by God as sinful and failure to repent can lead to condemnation.
