I happen to be a Satanist
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Ummm.....Why do you keep lying, Muskokaman? ...lol it's pretty easy to see that I didnt start this thread!
And yes I did announce my views at one point or another on this site. Is that wrong? Many christians might have questions and many christians are misguided about the truth of Satanism. Many have never met a Satanist. And unfortunately, there becomes some delusional fear and hatred towards Satanists! It becomes like the witch trials or something for some people. Not unlike the disrespect for homosexuals and the signs claiming "GOD HATES FAGS" etc... There are people that want gays to get the death penalty. That is sick and very unlike Jesus.
It's good for all kinds of humans to interact and to learn from eachother. I hope I can debunk the misconceptions on Satanism and I hope there wont be any irrational fears or superstitious hatred...like black cats or smashing of mirrors etc.... This is not the dark ages...but yet many people believe it or not still are afraid of black cats and full moons and indeed Satanists.
And yes I did announce my views at one point or another on this site. Is that wrong? Many christians might have questions and many christians are misguided about the truth of Satanism. Many have never met a Satanist. And unfortunately, there becomes some delusional fear and hatred towards Satanists! It becomes like the witch trials or something for some people. Not unlike the disrespect for homosexuals and the signs claiming "GOD HATES FAGS" etc... There are people that want gays to get the death penalty. That is sick and very unlike Jesus.
It's good for all kinds of humans to interact and to learn from eachother. I hope I can debunk the misconceptions on Satanism and I hope there wont be any irrational fears or superstitious hatred...like black cats or smashing of mirrors etc.... This is not the dark ages...but yet many people believe it or not still are afraid of black cats and full moons and indeed Satanists.
muskokaman----evident of what?
and jandian--- I don't want to sound preachy. The truth is, Satanism is a big part of my philosophical idea's...but it's not the only thing I "believe" in. I also believe in the Holy Bible and other religions as well. I'm not some kind of die-hard Satanist or something. There are some clearly problematic points of satanism that arent too hard to find. That being said, and to answer your question, I do find Satanism to be probably the closest thing to how I feel about life personally. It's a philosophy that probably most closely represents how I feel. You know, there is somewhat of a joke in Satanism about how you don't really choose Satanism, Satanism chooses you. I guess the same thing could be said about any religion. But for the vast majority...we sort of feel like it's a homecoming. We read the literature and feel like we finally belong. Most of us were raised some other religion as a child, and for whatever reason we discovered the philosophy known as Satanism and in reading it...it just speaks to us like nothing else did. It reads to us how we always felt, but maybe felt like we shouldnt feel. Or we didnt know it was ok or acceptable to feel this way. It's very enlightening and liberating in a sense. Like you finally belong or something. You don't just "become" a Satanist. You are sort of born that way. Some people will never get it. Maybe they are not chemically made up to understand it. But to others, it is indeed very appealing and liberating. It promotes a freedom to be yourself and live how you want to live. No repression or oppression. Just live in unity with everyone else. If you dont like something, dont do it.
and jandian--- I don't want to sound preachy. The truth is, Satanism is a big part of my philosophical idea's...but it's not the only thing I "believe" in. I also believe in the Holy Bible and other religions as well. I'm not some kind of die-hard Satanist or something. There are some clearly problematic points of satanism that arent too hard to find. That being said, and to answer your question, I do find Satanism to be probably the closest thing to how I feel about life personally. It's a philosophy that probably most closely represents how I feel. You know, there is somewhat of a joke in Satanism about how you don't really choose Satanism, Satanism chooses you. I guess the same thing could be said about any religion. But for the vast majority...we sort of feel like it's a homecoming. We read the literature and feel like we finally belong. Most of us were raised some other religion as a child, and for whatever reason we discovered the philosophy known as Satanism and in reading it...it just speaks to us like nothing else did. It reads to us how we always felt, but maybe felt like we shouldnt feel. Or we didnt know it was ok or acceptable to feel this way. It's very enlightening and liberating in a sense. Like you finally belong or something. You don't just "become" a Satanist. You are sort of born that way. Some people will never get it. Maybe they are not chemically made up to understand it. But to others, it is indeed very appealing and liberating. It promotes a freedom to be yourself and live how you want to live. No repression or oppression. Just live in unity with everyone else. If you dont like something, dont do it.
in other words it's all about self or all about me WOW
That is the whole reason we have wars and strife in the world today is because NO ONE THINKS OF ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES
How can I get more? Now there is a very materialistic doctrine for ya but it doesn't matter or at least that is what you profess because of no belief in the afterlife you put all your eggs in the worldly basket not the heavenly one....................CAREFUL DON'T DROP THAT BASKET!!! cause when you do the omellete you will have to eat will be really be filled with filth
That is the whole reason we have wars and strife in the world today is because NO ONE THINKS OF ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES
How can I get more? Now there is a very materialistic doctrine for ya but it doesn't matter or at least that is what you profess because of no belief in the afterlife you put all your eggs in the worldly basket not the heavenly one....................CAREFUL DON'T DROP THAT BASKET!!! cause when you do the omellete you will have to eat will be really be filled with filth
Actually, Michelle did not start this thread. Loveschild did. She stated in another thread that she was a Satanist in attempt to explain what the beliefs of a Satanist are.
Then, loveschild took it upon herself to make a thread quoting Michelle's post from another thread. I then told a Moderator about this thread and how setting her up to potentially be attacked because of her beliefs was wrong. I wasn't at all supporting her views, but I don't see how singling her out was at all Christian. The thread was then moved BY A MODERATOR to the Prayer Forum and I am VERY sure that at least one Moderator is keeping an eye on this thread to make sure she isn't outright attacked.
We may not agree with her views, but if anyone here is trying to convert her or encourage her I don't see how hostility would work. If anything that would make her reject Christianity even more. There is nothing wrong with praying for her or discussing Satanism with her, but it can be done with love, respect, and understanding.
Then, loveschild took it upon herself to make a thread quoting Michelle's post from another thread. I then told a Moderator about this thread and how setting her up to potentially be attacked because of her beliefs was wrong. I wasn't at all supporting her views, but I don't see how singling her out was at all Christian. The thread was then moved BY A MODERATOR to the Prayer Forum and I am VERY sure that at least one Moderator is keeping an eye on this thread to make sure she isn't outright attacked.
We may not agree with her views, but if anyone here is trying to convert her or encourage her I don't see how hostility would work. If anything that would make her reject Christianity even more. There is nothing wrong with praying for her or discussing Satanism with her, but it can be done with love, respect, and understanding.
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I think that this shows the folly of seeking out demons to cast them out of people when GOD has not told you to do such things.
what did Jesus say to do to the Pharisees? lay hands on them and rebuke them in the NAME OF JESUS?
no,not at all.
it saddens me how fast people fall for the voices in the dark claiming to be angels of God but are just Angels of the deceptive LIGHT of Lucifer.
Matthew 15:14
Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
I hope God convicts everyone and we all join in prayer for the lost souls who do not know the light and love of JESUS.
what about "LET THEM ALONE" do people have a hard time understanding but must SEEK out trouble?
is it a need to make them more like JESUS and BE GOD? BE a Savior? Instead of abiding in HIS WILL?
no we have to run off and try and get God to do OUR WILL to make us FEEL important by BATTLING demons even though JESUS explicitly shows the folly in such actions in HIS Holy Bible.
I pray more people actually READ it. but I know the OP does not like long post, so you know the Bible might just be to LONG for her.
I think after 5 sentences you kind of lose the interest of demon busters. I wonder if she will get to this one and respond in a Christian manner?
lets test my hypothesis and see... what fruits will be displayed?
what did Jesus say to do to the Pharisees? lay hands on them and rebuke them in the NAME OF JESUS?
no,not at all.
it saddens me how fast people fall for the voices in the dark claiming to be angels of God but are just Angels of the deceptive LIGHT of Lucifer.
Matthew 15:14
Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
I hope God convicts everyone and we all join in prayer for the lost souls who do not know the light and love of JESUS.
what about "LET THEM ALONE" do people have a hard time understanding but must SEEK out trouble?
is it a need to make them more like JESUS and BE GOD? BE a Savior? Instead of abiding in HIS WILL?
no we have to run off and try and get God to do OUR WILL to make us FEEL important by BATTLING demons even though JESUS explicitly shows the folly in such actions in HIS Holy Bible.
I pray more people actually READ it. but I know the OP does not like long post, so you know the Bible might just be to LONG for her.
I think after 5 sentences you kind of lose the interest of demon busters. I wonder if she will get to this one and respond in a Christian manner?
lets test my hypothesis and see... what fruits will be displayed?
It is very much about "self". I think we live in a society where "self" is portrayed as is it's like a bad thing. Parents tell their kids from a young age not to be selfish and share with other kids...why? Maybe you dont like that kid and his hands are sticky and will mess up your toys! you shouldnt be forced to share, like sharing is the greatest quality to have. You should be wise about who you choose to share with. You absolutely should be good to yourself. And it's not all about materials...unless that is what you want it to be about. If materials make you happy, then fine. There are no rules about anything like that.
It's like somewhere along the line people sort of trained and conditioned themselves to just give give give and treat themselves poorly. Abstinence...and giving away all your possessions.. I like being prideful. Here's a good portion of The Satanic Bible to consider:
It's like somewhere along the line people sort of trained and conditioned themselves to just give give give and treat themselves poorly. Abstinence...and giving away all your possessions.. I like being prideful. Here's a good portion of The Satanic Bible to consider:
THE seven deadly sins of the Christian Church are: greed, pride,
envy, anger, gluttony, lust, and sloth. Satanism advocates indulging in each of
these "sins" as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
A Satanist knows there is nothing wrong with being greedy, as it only means that
he wants more than he already has. Envy means to look with favor upon the
possessions of others, and to be desirous of obtaining similar things for
oneself. Envy and greed are the motivating forces of ambition - and without
ambition, very little of any importance would be accomplished.
Gluttony is simply eating more than you need to keep yourself alive. When you
have overeaten to the point of obesity, another sin - pride - will motivate you
to regain an appearance that will renew your self-respect.
Anyone who buys an article of clothing for a purpose other than covering his
body and protecting it from the elements is guilty of pride. Satanists often
encounter scoffers who maintain that labels are not necessary. It must be
pointed out to these destroyers of labels that one or many articles they
themselves are wearing are not wearing are not necessary to keep them warm.
There is not a person on this earth who is completely devoid of ornamentation.
The Satanist points out that any ornamentation of the scoffer's body shows that
he, too, is guilty of pride. Regardless of how verbose the cynic may be in his
intellectual description of how free he is, he is still wearing the elements of
pride.
Being reluctant to get up in the morning is to be guilty of sloth, and if you
lie in bed long enough you may find yourself commiting yet another sin - lust.
To have the faintest stirring of sexual desire is to be guilty of lust. In order
to insure the propagation of humanity, nature made lust the second most powerful
instinct, the first being self-preservation. Realizing this, the Christian
Church made fornication the "Original Sin". In this way they made sure no one
would escape sin. Your very state of being is as a result of sin - the Original
sin!
The strongest instinct in every living thing is self-preservation, which brings
us to the last of the seven deadly sins - anger. Is it not our instinct for
self-preservation that is aroused when someone harms us, when we become angry
enough to protect ourselves from further attack? A Satanist practices the motto,
"If a man smite thee on one cheek, smash him on the other!" Let no wrong go
unredressed. Be as a lion in the path - be dangerous even in defeat!
Since man's natural instincts lead him to sin, all men are sinners; and all
sinners go to hell. If everyone goes to hell, then you will meet all your
friends there. Heaven must be populated with some rather strange creatures if
all they lived for was to go to a place where they can strum harps for eternity.
"Times have changed. Religious leaders no longer preach that all our natural
actions are sinful. We no longer think sex is dirty - or that taking pride in
ourselves is shameful - or that wanting something someone else has is vicious."
Of course not, times have changed! "If you want proof of this, just look at how
liberal churches have become. Why, they're practicing all the things that you
preach." envy, anger, gluttony, lust, and sloth. Satanism advocates indulging in each of
these "sins" as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
A Satanist knows there is nothing wrong with being greedy, as it only means that
he wants more than he already has. Envy means to look with favor upon the
possessions of others, and to be desirous of obtaining similar things for
oneself. Envy and greed are the motivating forces of ambition - and without
ambition, very little of any importance would be accomplished.
Gluttony is simply eating more than you need to keep yourself alive. When you
have overeaten to the point of obesity, another sin - pride - will motivate you
to regain an appearance that will renew your self-respect.
Anyone who buys an article of clothing for a purpose other than covering his
body and protecting it from the elements is guilty of pride. Satanists often
encounter scoffers who maintain that labels are not necessary. It must be
pointed out to these destroyers of labels that one or many articles they
themselves are wearing are not wearing are not necessary to keep them warm.
There is not a person on this earth who is completely devoid of ornamentation.
The Satanist points out that any ornamentation of the scoffer's body shows that
he, too, is guilty of pride. Regardless of how verbose the cynic may be in his
intellectual description of how free he is, he is still wearing the elements of
pride.
Being reluctant to get up in the morning is to be guilty of sloth, and if you
lie in bed long enough you may find yourself commiting yet another sin - lust.
To have the faintest stirring of sexual desire is to be guilty of lust. In order
to insure the propagation of humanity, nature made lust the second most powerful
instinct, the first being self-preservation. Realizing this, the Christian
Church made fornication the "Original Sin". In this way they made sure no one
would escape sin. Your very state of being is as a result of sin - the Original
sin!
The strongest instinct in every living thing is self-preservation, which brings
us to the last of the seven deadly sins - anger. Is it not our instinct for
self-preservation that is aroused when someone harms us, when we become angry
enough to protect ourselves from further attack? A Satanist practices the motto,
"If a man smite thee on one cheek, smash him on the other!" Let no wrong go
unredressed. Be as a lion in the path - be dangerous even in defeat!
Since man's natural instincts lead him to sin, all men are sinners; and all
sinners go to hell. If everyone goes to hell, then you will meet all your
friends there. Heaven must be populated with some rather strange creatures if
all they lived for was to go to a place where they can strum harps for eternity.
"Times have changed. Religious leaders no longer preach that all our natural
actions are sinful. We no longer think sex is dirty - or that taking pride in
ourselves is shameful - or that wanting something someone else has is vicious."
Of course not, times have changed! "If you want proof of this, just look at how
liberal churches have become. Why, they're practicing all the things that you
Ah yes...sorry! Was very distracted there for a few. I dont know how we got here and I don't pretend to. Were we created? Maybe. By a God? By some alien? I don't know. Did we evolve? Maybe. But how did the first thing get there in order to evolve? I don't have the answers. No one really does. But everyone pretends to. Let us assume that a God created everything. What God? The christian God? Some other? There has been thousands of Gods throughout time. We only are familiar with what is popular in current culture. So we think that is what is real/right. The research is out there though. You can learn about Horus or Dionysus. What makes those gods no longer valid? Time. Time changes everything. What is wrong yesterday is right today. What was insane, is now accepted as normal. What was immoral is now moral, or vice versa. There was an entire culture that believed in and practiced religiously necrophilia as they believed it was a spiritual act. That is insane to us in modern culture and we would be arrested for it. So, as you can see, things change.
As far as the Christian God...I feel there are some major evils with a superior being that is perfect and knows all...and yet has the audacity to send us pathetic little humans to suffer for all eternity for disagreeing with him. That's not justice. That's not the act of an understanding superior being. That's petty in my opinion
As far as the Christian God...I feel there are some major evils with a superior being that is perfect and knows all...and yet has the audacity to send us pathetic little humans to suffer for all eternity for disagreeing with him. That's not justice. That's not the act of an understanding superior being. That's petty in my opinion
and just an after thought...I wanted to add that I feel all gods were created to try and explain things. We now live in an age of science. We have only had true science for a few hundred years. But people werent stupid in primitive civilizations. They still had all the same questions, desires, and fears as they do in todays world. They just simply didnt have the knowledge. So they made gods up to explain the unexplainable. "We don't know how rain works. Let's invent a rain god to pray to!" I think gods were invented innocently enough. It was just a way to understand something that no one could understand. But religion is different. I think religion was born out of greed. Religion was a way to trick people out of their money. "Gods" by themselves wont do anything. But with the invention of an organization...a religion...now a business is made out of naive people. Look at all the gold and jewls the Pope has. He's practically worshiped as holy himself. It's sad. People give all their money away based on a strong belief, but they are being scammed in my opinion.
But...but...we do know how life started :< While we're missing a little info, but we have a somewhat decent picture as to how the first life came about. But that's a completely different topic and a lot of debate, so lets not derail this =P
I pretty much agree with your premise. While I, as a science major, have my biases as to how the universe began, but overall, it doesn't really matter. While it would be cool to know it, knowing the answer doesn't help you come closer to solving life's problems.
Honestly, I am not trying to present Christianity to you..... I don't think you are ready for that. so dont worry about trying to prove something is wrong with Christianity to me....... You really cant.
I am simply trying to understand this misinformation you say we have about Satanism and trying to understand what you really believe....
So you dont know who made you or if you were made or why you were made....tell me one thing that you are sure about concerning your beliefs
I am simply trying to understand this misinformation you say we have about Satanism and trying to understand what you really believe....
So you dont know who made you or if you were made or why you were made....tell me one thing that you are sure about concerning your beliefs
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I don't have time to go through all the posts but I'll tag this thread and get back to you. You will be in my prayers. May God's grace rain down upon you.
Rather you take that as a blessing or a curse, we will see.....
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Rather you take that as a blessing or a curse, we will see.....
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The only thing I guess I am sure about is happiness. Happiness out of not holding back or repressing myself in the ways other religions have you do. I dont have to worry about being sinful. And I am less stressed and more relaxed because of this. Other than that, I just want to say that I think people think it's a bad thing to have "sketchy" beliefs. Beliefs that are not concrete. Maybe they think that if your beliefs arent concrete, then they arent valuable? I happen to disagree. I think it's a wonderful thing that nothing is set in stone. It leaves room for improvement. It leaves room for evolution in this crazy contant changing world. Of course some things will never change. Man's deep instinctive nature will always dictate to an extent our behaviors. But, take the Quran for example. There is a lot of things that just dont fit into modern society. I think the Muslim relgion is very negative.