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Yes, yes, and yes. Thank you! The idea that the Book of Job was written first makes sense. I would describe it then as the cornerstone for the rest of the books in the bible. I might go so far as to say it is the blueprint for the rest of the bible. There are profound striking parallels...

Again, these are *questions* God asks Job. They are not *accusations*. Big difference. Questions provide grace. Accusations conclude condemnation. This, too, is a huge discrepancy between God's communication with Job and Elihu's communication with Job. The very nature of how each of them are...

Exactly! Thank you. Some people seem to have this idea that Job says he is more righteous than God deeply embedded in their heads. It seems the reason for that is because this is what Elihu (alone) says. From what I have seen, looking at this entire story through the lens of Elihu is precarious...

So because Elihu may be lying - and is allowed 6 chapters in this story - that would mean we can't trust the rest of the bible? That does not make any sense at all. How did you come up with that logic? God does not say the three friends "lied" as if they were trying to deceive Job somehow. The...

Thank you for sharing these verses. However, have you noticed that the things that Job says are actually not incorrect? As hard as it may be to read, everything he is saying is true. Job was broken with a tempest, his wounds were multiplied *without cause*, he does cry out and is not heard, and...

This verse from 9:23 keeps coming up here. Question: have you reduced the profundity of Job's entire testimony to this one verse? There are numerous parallels between Job and Jesus. No, Job is not Jesus, obviously. Job was a sinful man, but Jesus never sinned. Let's get that out of the way...

One of the most profound statements in the Book of Job (given by Job) and arguably one of the most well-known in all of the Bible. Job prophecies this, and then it comes true.

No, I would not reduce this story to just a wager. Yet part of the story is that there is a challenge being put forth. That is the premise that launches Job's ordeal. Will Job curse God if he suffers or not? That is what we watch play out until God appears in chapter 38. Not sure where the...

Elihu. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I think understanding the character of Elihu is the key to understanding this story as a whole. From what I have seen here (and in other studies) is that opinions about Elihu typically fall into one of three categories. (I am totally open to other...

No, I would not frame it like that at all. Job was a very unique person, and his story is a very unique one. I don't think God was just randomly picking on Job and using him simply like some pawn. God knew Job's character intimately, and would not have allowed Job to suffer like this if he was...

BINGO!! Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you!! I love how you laid all of this out. I wholeheartedly agree with you that one of the purposes of the Book of Job is to reveal Jesus to us, specifically Jesus the suffering servant like in Isaiah 53. It is wonderful how you went on to explain...

Totally agree, of course, that all things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose. And I would agree that is also the case in Job's life. Job does grow and develop and come to a whole new level of understanding at the end of this story. Yes. All of...

Of course confessing our sins is right in the eyes of God. Yes. But it seems you may be trying to imply Job's confession at the end is what God is referring to when he says Job spoke rightly about Him. But again, the comparison God provides is between what Job says and what Job's friends say. If...

Totally agree with you here.

The discrepancy highlighted is not a private interpretation. You stated God was after two things in allowing Job to suffer, namely 1) personal pride, and 2) self-reliance on his own power. That is what you stated. So God would have a *cause* and a *reason* to let Job suffer, right? Needing Job...

This does not change the conclusion of the story when God clearly states that Eliphaz and friends have not spoken rightly about God. You might even say, they spoke without any substance, any real connection to their words. Consider Isaiah 29:13 in light of Eliphaz, "Wherefore the Lord said...

Excellent. Thank you. First off, I totally agree with you and believe Elihu is not a friend of Job. Elihu is there from the beginning of their dialogue, but the text says that it is Job's "three" friends (not four) that come to him. Also, Elihu himself makes a clear distinction in 35:4 where he...

Also, look at 2:3, "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him...

Sorry, I disagree with this assessment entirely. In 40:2 God is asking Job a question, not accusing Job, and Job's answer to God's question is no. In 40:8 it is the same thing. Again, chapter 9 clearly lays out Job's posture and his view of himself in the sight of God. It is plain as day. Job...

Where does it say that God's grand design was to use satan as His tool? I understand that is your interpretation, but where does it say that?