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Our friend quoted the verse out of context and didn't include Paul's reference to Isaiah in connection with it. Isaiah said that the presence of foreigners on Israeli soil, speaking foreign language was a sign of impending judgment for them, and yet still they wouldn't listen. Paul compares...

I happen to be a Puritan Reformed Presbyterian, not part of a Charismatic "sect", and who holds to Sola Scriptura, opposed to emotionalism, a firm believer in the trinity, a continuist in terms of the spiritual gifts, and pray in tongues all the time. So, are you going to say that I am taking a...

The church historical records show conclusively that the Methodist Holiness people described themselves as Pentecostal and believed that entire sanctification by faith involved the baptism with the Spirit.

I actually read my Church History books rather than just had them as door stops. I read that the 18th and 19th Century Methodist Holiness movement believed in and taught the baptism with the Spirit - that it was the Holy Spirit causing them to be totally sanctified by faith. In fact, many...

My view is that SOME Pentecostals and Charismatics teach it, but the strict pastor who trained me wouldn't have a bar of it. He believed in praying the prayer of faith for sick people, but never believed that the person was healed unless they were actually healed. None of this "healing by...

Pentecostals are merely those who believe in the continuation of the spiritual gifts. You are confusing them with the Pentecostalist movement that started around the turn of the 20th Century.

Well said!

It is a bit of a generalisation to say that about all Pentecostals and Charismatics. Not all of them are the "name and claim it" band of merry men led by the ministry equivalent of Robbing Hood. The best that anyone can say as part of a prayer of faith is: "Jesus heals you", and then leave it...

Here is a good paragraph that describes opposition to Pentecostalism: "There are two kinds of ignorance: The one springs from thoughtless zeal, and it does not simply reject the good, but thinks it is evil. Although nobody sins in ignorance in such a way as not to be accused of a bad...

Six munce ago I cuddent spel hisstorean, but now I are one!!!

Picking one verse out of the whole chapter doesn't convince anyone. Also, the verse in its context, doesn't say what you think it says.

Rubbish. Paul never said that at all. I have explained in previous posts what the verse really means, and how Paul himself interpreted it. Go back and read them. There are a few good books on Biblical exegesis and hermeneutics. I suggest you read them and improve your knowledge.

Do you actually read my posts? The people of the new fellowship were never members of the Pastor's church. I really don't know where you got the idea from that the group were separating from his church. I said that the new group of people did not want to join his church because they didn't...

I made it quite clear that it was another independent group and not part of the existing church. The only similarity was that it also had a Pentecostal character. The incoming group was not part of the Pastor's church, and the intention was to plant their church in that town. The Pastor was...

Don't worry about it. It was just that I didn't understand what you were wanting to express. Because this is my thread, you are quite free to say what you want. Sometimes when the original topic of a thread has run its course, introducing a related topic keeps the interest going and the...

You're not out of line. Yes, there are those who add to the Scripture by imposing their own doctrinal ideals on the rest of us, using, in some cases, just one random verse out of context. Then they tack on the Name of Jesus to add weight to their "authority"; but in doing so end up taking the...

But what has this got to do with the topic of this thread?

When does the pastor of one church group have the right to exercise authority over another independent church group? That's just as much out of order as a Pentecostal pastor coming into our Union church and saying that we all must come under his authority!

The leader I was referring to was some who was called in to be a consultant by a group of people who did not go along with the Pentecostal pastor in that town, and could not go along with his dictatorial attitude and could not go along with what he was preaching. They wanted to form their own...

What I meant was that just because a person says he has authority, doesn't mean that he actually has it. People will follow a person when they recognise the leadership quality in him.