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To clarify, I meant where in the Old Testament, not where in time!

Sorry for the delay, to all who responded. My question is whether there is a scripture in the OT that suggests God always intended to offer eternal life after the fall. One can certainly infer that this was the plan and many OT saints were convinced of it, but they seem to have obtained this...

If you read my post, I am asking where the original promise, in the OT is made. The NT is refering to a promise given by God. Where does God say, after the fall, that he offers eternal life to the saints?

I take your point, but if this were so, why the warnings? It would have been very simple for the apostles to simply state, unequivocally, that once saved always saved. But they don’t. Certainly a christian has security in his salvation, but there is more to it than that. In times of persecution...

Not from me! But trofimus may know more than I do on this. It is possible that later jewish scribes or rabbis sought to weed out the messianic prophecies as a response to christianity and to justify their unbelief. I don’t know much about the history of the texts. I will see what Justin Martyr says.

Unless we chose to walk away! God is not a tyrant. We can blaspeme the Holy Spirit, we can choose to abandon the faith. This was the concern of the writer to the Hebrews, that christians would go back to Judaism. Certainly God will not adandon us, but we can abandon him.or what do you think 2...

It is not standard practice for God to force people into heaven. Man has free will. God calls but we have to respond. Likewise we can choose to walk away. We can choose to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, or do you think God compels people to do this? I never bought into the idea that some are chosen...

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Thanks! Just ordered the selected writings of Justin Martyr.

Fantastic! I was hoping someone would say, ‘Well, I haven’t moved a mountain, but I have seen the hand of God in a tangible way, so I am getting there!’ This is great news. God bless you even more!

Ok! So as a proverbial statement, what does it mean? If you have a little faith, you can pray for little things? And if you have a lot of faith, you can pray for big things? But this implies that the quantity of faith is an issue and therefore the wish of the apostles should have been granted...

Thanks for your post. If I understand it you are saying this is a mistranslation. But you don’t tell me how you think it should be translated! The word faith is used twice in the quoted text, both times as a noun, so not quite sure what you are driving at. I get that faith in christ means one is...

I think the key words in Hebrews 6:4-6 is ‘if they fall away’ and what this means. I take this to mean a permanent rejection of their previous commitment. In other words, they never did repent. I believe you can walk away from christ, even if you are saved. Consider 2 Tim 2:11-13. This clearly...

Luke 17:5-6 5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6 He replied, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you. So, Jesus is saying a tiny, tiny bit of faith is all you need. He...

The jews were preserving the OT for their own sakes, not for christians, so their bias would be irrelevant. Why would they cease their sacred mission to preserve their own scriptures? It doesn't make sense. The jews revere their writings even today.

I thought the bible was preserved in good condition. The jews have been exceedingly zealous in preserving it to the letter. They had a whole class of men dedicated to this, the scribes. They are the guardians of the OT a job they take very seriously. I was told there were more fragments of the...

I fully understand what you mean, but there is a danger in your approach too. If you are afraid to question and really test the scripture intellectually, you do not get the insights you might otherwise get. You should question the bible, turn it inside out until you fully understand it. Don’t...

No one is picking it apart. One should read the bible as the inspired word of God. There are 23,145 verses in the bible. We are concerned that 2 or 3 maybe a few more, may be uninspired insertions or concessions made by God in the light of man’s hardness of heart. Jesus himself said that divorce...

trofimus, I am concerned that you are saying something deep and I might be missing it. To me the issue is very simple, so I will need your help to see if I am simply too dumb to understand what you are saying! Please don’t think I am being ironic or sarcastic. Why can’t Adam make a free choice...

Well, I am one of those old fashioned guys who when they read ‘you shall cut off her hand, show her no mercy’ draw the conclusion that cutting off a hand is what the verse means. If I don’t assume this, I cannot read the bible at all. It could mean anything. So, I am sticking with the principle...