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Not trying to be rude but I won’t debate sinless perfectionism. My goal is to inform you (and other readers) how one arrives at such a heresy. Wesley made popular sinless perfectionism, but he started with a different heresy, a form of pelagianism. Pelagius made popular the concept of man’s...

There’s nothing rare about the “only one truth church”. It’s the same ole pelagian heresy, “God wouldn’t command something that man cannot do”… he literally used the catch phrase for pelaginism 🤣 Then went on to parrot Wesley’s sinless perfectionism and even claimed that he is without sin. Same...

Don Smith and Robert Madu seem to be different sides of the same coin.

I agree with you, salvation is eternal. From the moment we believe we are being formed into the perfect son and are destined to worship him for eternity. He who begins a work in us will complete it. Interesting topic for sure, good talking with you. 👍

The two options are essentially all encompassing. In other words, all Christians are either monergistic or synergistic.

What’s the matter?

Why must you always poison the well? We're having healthy discussions over here, people are doing research and learning. It's almost as if you prefer ignorant (uneducated) unhealthy, fruitless arguing.

My mistake. Just read an article about semi-pelagianism and synergism... Interesting stuff! https://cathapol.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/semi-pelagian-or-synergism/ Anyway, thanks again for giving me new topics to research. 👍

@wattie You might find this short article helpful, I sure did. https://www.gotquestions.org/monergism-vs-synergism.html

Speaking of Wesley. Been wondering lately if there might be a connection with the decline of the Methodist church and their acceptance of Arminianism? Same question for classic Pentecostals. And the Catholic Church, didn't they officially adopt semi-Pelagianism around the time of the...

Interesting stuff. Going to dig further... @XavierJesusLovesIndia https://www.gotquestions.org/Thomism.html https://ivypanda.com/essays/comparative-analysis-on-nature-and-grace-in-the-augustinian-and-thomistic-schools-essay/ The essay ended with a statement about reaching "perfection". I...

Thanks for sharing @XavierJesusLovesIndia. You've given me a new topic to research, much appreciated.

I simply pointed out the fact that your statement was the epitome of "ignorance is bliss". It's your statement and that's what it means, don't get mad at me for pointing out linguistic facts.

Don't know, don't want to know, don't care; the epitome of "ignorance is bliss". It was a fair response.

I agree with all of that except the first half of the first sentence, there's an option for everyone. 😉

Ignorance is bliss right? I hear ya 😄👍

That’s correct. I was horrific but God… Ephesians 2:1-10 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins [2] in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—[3] among whom we all...

Thank you @wattie I hoped this thread would inspire research. Please keep us updated.

I was saved after an extremely sinful 38 years.

That's the most beautiful thing I ever read on the website.