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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I hope you realize that "first" in this case does not mean first in a sequence, but rather first in honor, as in chief of resurrections. Neither does it mean that there cannot be other resurrections before this one. The truth is, this chief of resurrections is for ALL the righteous and Jesus was...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    No, that is not at all what Paul wrote. It is VERY DIFFICULT once one is born again, to get UN-born again. What Paul wrote is very clear, Jesus will appear to those who are LOOKING FOR HIM. It is assumed "looking for Him" when He comes. Then I asked, in your mind, is it possible for someone...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    We already know your opinion of all those who believe in a pretrib rapture. You are going to be very shocked when you discover pretrib is truth!!!!! We can talk about it during the 1000 year reign. I expect you to be there.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Please point to a specific: show us the verse and show me where I did not accept it. John never saw the Old Testament saints rise in his vision, so never wrote it. However, scripture does leave us hints. My guess is, their resurrection will be at the 7th vial that ends the week.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I did not say that. I just pointed you to what Paul wrote. Jesus will appear to those who are looking for Him. Nothing was said about what will happen to those NOT looking for Him. It seems God leaves the flip side of this verse up to us to figure out. Is it possible for one born again to...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    You are absolutely amazing: now you have the Old Testament saints "born again!" According to you then, Jesus did not have to die. WOW! Where do you find this in scripture? Did you not read Paul? 1 Cor. 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. The SIN...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I finally understand: you don't know the difference between good exegesis and "twist." For the 2 Thes. 2 passage: Can you explain to us why Paul wrote, "and now you know...? I wonder, do YOU know? Can you explain why Paul wrote in 3b IS revealed? Can you describe the parallelism in this...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    More beginner stuff! Did you not READ? The 144,000 are descendants of JACOB: JEWS and from all the tribes. No wonder we seldom agree. For the last 2000 years and up to the rapture, God has had believers in Christ as His witnesses. But at the pretrib rapture, which will happen just before the...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I thought I just said that! However, many such people CALL themselves "Christian."
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    What is ironic is that it is YOU doing the twisting! One day you will discover that GOD is pretrib. The Scripture does not belong to us - it is OFF LIMITS to our correction and interpretation. MORE irony! You are "interpreting" the Matthew 24 gathering to be the same as Paul's gathering, when...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Did you never read? Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. WHO is He going to appear to in His second coming? ONLY to those who are looking for Him, EXPECTING Him. I wonder...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Gary, I will have to disagree again - but you are close. The 6th seal's main purpose was to seal the book and prevent it from being opened until the One who sealed it was present. It's secondary purpose is to begin the Day of the Lord at the proper time. I don't think the Day of the Lord ends...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    No, you are mistaken. If so, Jesus would not have had to die and then rise from the dead. The sin problem HAD to be dealt with. The truth is, NO ONE could be born again until the death and resurrection of Jesus. That is why He did not breath on them and tell them to receive the Holy Spirit until...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    That is your opinion. My opinion is just the opposite. I think you are believing in error. But I certainly don't and won't accuse you of lying. Next, I have not sinned against anyone by quoting scripture and adding what I think it means. Are you that easily offended? That scripture above...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    My friend, NO ONE is trying to deceive here! Why do you accuse? I am not trying to deceive anyone. Our only difference is how each one reads the scriptures. We are brothers in Christ as should be showing love one to another. Accusing someone of lying is certainly not showing love. A good...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Time and again you have accused me of adding to scripture, and now you add to scripture. Case in point? You wrote, "The 'Falling Away' is Departure from the Truth" That is adding to scripture. Apostasia is a departing. Nothing more or nothing less. This word does not include any information...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Just so you have it right: Apo and Stasia are not "root" words: they are two parts of a compound word. Here is an example of a compound English word: "paradigm." Para reminds us of parallel lines or paratroopers that march side by side. "Digm" is a display or a showing or an example. Put...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Please explain why Paul wrote "is revealed" in verse 3 but also wrote that it cannot happen until verses 6-8 come to pass. Also please explain why Paul wrote in verse 6: "and now you know..." You should know that words can have more than one meaning. Finally, the Greek word, apostasia, does...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I hope you will explain this in depth.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I could say the same thing: "Boy, are you misinformed." For example, the Day of the Lord begins at the 6th seal over 7 years before Christ returns to Armageddon. OF COURSE there will be "Jewish time." the 70th week of Daniel is future and it is certianly Jewish time. Their 70 weeks is not...