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I guess this depends on how one defines "church." Certainly the disciples were called. But they were not born again until later. The true church of the firstborn started when Jesus breathed on the 120 and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." To be a true Christian one must be "born again" and...

Your preconceived glasses caused you to not understand I was AGREEING with you! The church has been in tribulation since Peter was put in prison and Stephen was stoned. However, that being said, Jesus had to ADD WORDS to the days He was speaking of. Those days when the Beast and False Prophet...

It all AGREES Yes, OF COURSE God agrees with Himself! But the gathering in Matthew 24 cannot be Paul's gathering. The signs in the sun and moon in Matthew 24 CANNOT BE the signs at the 6th seal. These are DIFFERENT events separated by over 7 years. They are separated by all the events from...

if you say pre-trib you are saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is lying. No! That is only your wild imagination. I am very comfortable with your wild imagination. I will try to steer you right, but you have to be willing. In the world you will have tribulation Yes, of course! There has been...

You keep quoting "“Immediately after the tribulation of those days" and relating it to Paul's rapture - as if they are the same timing. However, you have never provide ANY scriptural proof that the gathering in Matthew 24 is Paul's rapture. It cannot be for several reasons. First, the TIMING...

Yes, Paul shows us the rapture before Wrath, and that fits perfectly with Revelation: wrath starting at the 6th seal, and John seeing the church in heaven shortly after the 6th seal. The prophets tell us that God has promised to gather of of the descendants of Jacob back to Israel, and Jesus...

Why do you insist God must give it to you word for word? I could ask the same thing. "Where does the Lord say post-trib rapture of His Elect in the Gospel?" We have to work with WHAT IS WRITTEN. And we must approach the written word with NO PRECONCEPTIONS. AGain I ask you the question you keep...

OK, let's see the verse the way you imagine it. 2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven]. 3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the...

Rather, it is amazing how you ignore all pretrib proof shown. It seems you are determined to ignore God's escape plan, face the Beast, and lose your head. I believe God will honor your faith. Once again, did Paul put the DAY before his rapture, or His rapture before the DAY? Where does John...

No, he has not won. He is in error and with a very bad attitude at that.

where is Christ and all the saved Christians? Earth. WRONG! Jesus remains in heaven during the entire 70th week. That is POST means! He does not return to earth (to touch down) until AFTER the trib. So where is Jesus and where will the church be during the 70th week? In heaven. He said "where I...

Why then do you not believe John? He tells us when God's wrath begins. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Your theory FORCES a rearranging of this 6th seal...

We are ALL grafted into the Jewish Tree. But we are Gentiles. That will not change until we get resurrection bodies. Here is a tip for understanding the end times: there are THREE groups that God speaks of and to: 1. The Jews 2. The church - mostly Gentile 3. The nations If one finds a verse...

Reject the Vatican lie of a 'Gentile Church'. If Paul speaks of the Gentile church, why can't you? Make no mistake, we are living in the dispensation of the Gentile church - PAUL's church. He started it. The Jewish church died out in the first century. When the Gentile church ENDS with the...

Words. Just words. That was a good side step! Do you deny that Paul put the rapture before the DAY?

You speak of truth is if you knew what it was. The evidence is against you. I don't "twist:" I quote. Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. If LUKE can...

When anyone asked the question WHEN in responding to the rapture, our first thought should be: WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURES SAY? Well, what DO they say? Who in the bible received the REVELATION of the rapture? It was Paul. Up until then, the fact that those alive and In Christ would be caught up...

Instead of accusing the Brethren, which is what Satan does, why not prove with scripture where I am wrong? Case in point: FIND references in Matthew 24 that proves Jesus was talking to Gentiles. Perhaps you have overlooked this: Romans 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be...

If you disagree, find scriptures that prove I am in error. I will repent if I am in error. I have done it many times. You seem obsessed with a thought in error: that pretrib is a lie. This fits today in the US very well. What is truth is called a lie, and what is a lie is imagined as truth...

Matt ch24 with no reference to the Gentile church of today." Well, prove me mistaken by using the WORD. I have shown you over and over verses from Daniel that show us the 70th week is for DANIEL's people - the JEWS. Why do you keep insisting it is for the Gentile church of today? Can you...