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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    YOU DID pull them out of their context. Instead of talk, if you think you did NOT pull them out of context, PROVE what you say BY the context. For example: Paul places the rapture BEFORE the Day of the Lord, and John places the Day of the Lord in Rev. 6. THAT, my friend, is God's devine order...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Please allow me to set this record straight: You should have written: I BELIEVE "Scripture PROVES 'pre-trib' is a lie and a cancer, for it came from satan and never came out of the mouth of God." The truth is, Paul would disagree with you. John would disagree with you. In fact, what they wrote...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I would agree with something added: the Olivet Discourse was/is about the span of time between the First and Second Comings of Christ, with no reference to the Gentile church of today.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Sorry, Jesus talked about the abomination that Daniel said would be in the midst of the week. What week? DANIEL'S week for HIS people - the Jews. If you are determined to stay behind and live through part of this week designed by God for the Jews, I truly believe God will honor your faith. On...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Dream on, Brother. You may well bite your tongue when you see the 70th week taking place in the future.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    You have made grave errors in this post. Worse, you did not even know you made errors. You have joined Matthew 24 coming with the 1 Thes. 4 coming. In short, you pulled both verse OUT OF THEIR CONTEXT to make them say what you imagine they say. Pulling verses out of context is a GRAVE error...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Less is better: Got it! I am well acquainted with the 5th seal. It is quite likely we will disagree on it, but who knows? It is the martyrs of the church age and people are still being added to it.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I am not afraid to say that His coming to Armageddon will be His third coming. If people wish to say He only comes twice to touch down, that too would work.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Actually, verse 4 includes more than the beheaded. "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them " Who are these seen seated on thrones? They are both the OT and NT saints, all with resurrection bodies. "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded " These...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I believe heaven will be emptied when He comes to Armageddon; both the NT saints and OT saints will be coming with Him on white horses. You are welcome. There is a problem with your stipulation of touching down. Paul called His coming for the church a "coming."
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Did you not read? Rev. 7 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Continued: It is an ambiguous passage, for in verse 3, “that day shall not come” was left out by Paul and added by translators. However, the added text seems to fit the contest of the verse. Next, some Greek texts show in verse 2, “the Day of Christ” while other texts have “the Day of the...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    It is only YOUR OPINION "revelation is not chronological..." Since John wrote it as we read it, you will have to prove this statement. Good luck on that! No one to date has ever proved it. The Day of His Coming is the Day of the LORD Can you prove this with scripture? No, you cannot. It is...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Who is Jesus talking to in Matthew 24? He is talking to Jewish people about the end of THEIR age? Did you not read? "his disciples came to him" " the sign of thy coming " WHICH coming? He is talking about His coming to Armageddon. "delivering you up to the synagogues" (Luke 21) (The church...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    How funny! NOWHERE does the bible state: "the Lord will post-trib rapture His church." The very reason people disagree on the timing of the rapture is because God did not write such a verse in such easy to understand words. NOWHERE in Scripture does God say "the rapture will be before/after...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    A pretrib rapture is the truth of scripture. Case in point? John saw the great crowd, too large to number, in heaven before he saw any part of the 70th week. You don't know that because you don't know where John started the 70th week in Revelation. Neither do you know where Paul's rapture fits...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Why then do you rearrange Revelation? OF COURSE Revelation agrees with the rest of Scripture: GOD is the author of all scripture. Take careful note: John saw the great crowd in heaven in chapter 7, NOT IN CHAPTER 19.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Be careful what you call a "lie." It may well be what YOU write. I did not write it, Paul and John wrote showing us TWO MORE comings, one only to the air, before the trib, and one to Armageddon after the Trib.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    John saw the raptured church in heaven as the great crowd too large to number - before any part of the 70th week. That means PRE... Paul wrote that HIS gathering would come before wrath. Again that means PRE... HA HA HA! How can there be TWO "second's of anything? First, Second, Third....only...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    What did I write? "A big part of the harvest of the wicked will be Armageddon and the parable of the tares " OF COURSE the end times will include the harvest of both the righteous and the wicked. However, I don't believe the harvesting in chapter 14 is about the church. The church will be in...