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I could go into all the reasons that Lutheran is actually farther from romanism than American evangelicalism but appearances are more important than doctrine in a post modernist world. Besides it would take many posts and more time than I have to give on the matter.

I listened to the second video again and yep Chris is right. Chan abuses the scripture many times and even says that he is both man and God and that living an ordinary life is not pleasing to Jesus.

No. Chan clearly said Jesus is both man and God and thats what He is saying about us now. Chan clearly states that we are both Man and God. Which is rank heresy, and blasphemy

Seems clear to me. Yep seems to me Chris is right about mr Chan.

He didnt misrepresent Mr. Chan.

So you don't see the difference in having a sculpture depicting the passion of Christ and worshipping a golden calf?

He had a book written. Read it and He will speak to you through it.

Its good to be a part of the ancient church that keeps the memory of the ancient martyrs alive.

I love watching your pascal vigil celebrations. Very beautiful ceremony. Iconography are teaching tools. It helps to put a visual to the words. One of Luther's arguments against the Pope was their attempt to anathematize the Eastern Church.

I call the faithful in the old testament, " old testament Christians".

That and it forces generational debt. Children must move away and go into debt to buy their homes. Also there is no heritage for those children a suburban house can really only be sold and the miniscule money split between children so maybe they can pay off a credit card. Where a home in the...

Thats a good one. So many modern christians see themselves as an island in time rather than a part of an extensive family with a lineage back to Christ. Not sure how or when modernist egalitarianism crept into the church but it is a noxious weed.

I agree. I listen to pod casts often. I like pirate Christian radio, but its no longer a pod cast. I also like his you tube channel. Christ extensively uses the Bible to point out the error of false teachers and prophets. Possibly there is more bible reading in his videos than some churches...

A crucifix is not an idol. Its art. Art that depicts the sacrifice of our Lord. If that is an idol all crosses, pictures, and sculptures are idols. I have never been in a single church in all my years that didnt have crosses, and depictions of the crucifixion. Most Christian homes have similar...

I'll see if I can find the video where he states his beliefs concerning cessation. I have watched many of his videos. I agree he can be snarky unto off putting. His teaching is sound. I have seen by do a video on mr Chan (not sure if its the same video you watched) his assessment was correct.

I dont have a version. The words mean what they mean. Its not my job to bind people. That is the job of the Holy Spirit. Like i said we have no conversation until you answer my question. And now I up the stakes, until you answer every question asked of you in this thread. Thank you, good bye.

Ok but he has explained his position directly,

You know what words mean. I answered your question. We have no farther conversation. Until you answer my question.

Then you have my answer. There are no versions, the terms are self defining.

Get off the gas with the nebulous plop. If your not going to bother to explain dont bother to start a conversation.