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Even when you leave your parents to a new family, there biological connection as mother and father is still there. What I am saying is this connection isn't undone by our struggles with our parents, but God's bond to us at spiritual rebirth is even deeper. So God won't leave us when we...

The free gift of eternal life is in John 3:16, 3:36, 5:24 Ephesians 2:8-10 Roman's 10:9-10 Plus many many more verses. The most common response to posts like Kidron has is to say 'you are saying a can do what ever I want' or 'preaching a license to sin' So .. if you were given the greatest...

Regarding the baptist name given to a church, that may have started in the 1600s, but baptistic beliefs have been around since before catholism. - independence of the local church -individual liberty in Christ - no pedobaptism -believers baptism - justification by grace thru faith in Christ -...

Okay.. yea I didn't know the context. It is one thing I see a lot is people using 'he who endures to the end will be saved' to be about eternal salvation.. But the context is deliverance from trials and troubles... not eternal death

Me thinks a misunderstanding here.. I think you guys both a talking of believing on Jesus Christ. Just different terms

If you sincerely believed Jesus is God, that He died and rose again, to save you from your sins, and received Him, then you would be still eternally saved now. The works part doesn't keep you saved but is a response to what you already got. If you didn't believe in the first place.. then...

Yeah I was christened in the methodist church, confirmed in the Methodist church, but not saved in any of what was going on there. I was saved in teens by calling out to Christ for salvation! That's it. Accepted Christ as Saviour then. If it wasn't then, at university I learned more...

Trouble with conventions and associations is if the authority running them holds to much sway over individual churches. So for eg... a church having to report back to other churches or lose their funding from other churches. Accountability is good.. but if the reporting back is based on...

Look at Job.. he lost everything, right into the pits of despair. Through that experience he might have got some serious health problems. I'm the end he had restoration from God to what he lost, but he may have had long lasting issues after ward. Success.. spiritually is very different to...

Other thing about this is .. its churches getting spewed out.. by the context of who is being addressed

Well Matthew 18.. Jesus is talking about the process for resolving disputes with a sinning brother. There is even the term..'tell it to the church' .. so it's got to be of a local assembly, local church. Matthew 16.. this is like 'the cat' or 'the dog' One animal representing many. 'The...

Okay, yes well what a lot of peeps are calling the body of Christ of every believer now, I believe scripture is calling part if the Family of God. So with your descriptions of family type relations, where you don't have to be assembled, but are still related... I would say that isn't a...

Weeell that's a fine ideal, sounds good ... but once you get beyond a certain group of assembled believers they dont have that connectedness the same.

The issue with having the body of Christ as a spiritual organisation that is invisible and universal is the terms in scripture used of describing the body are of : -togetherness -closeness -members in it, share each others pain 'when one member suffers, all suffer with it' - the church at...

Well for starters-- to be a church member- you'd be voted in and you'd be saved and baptised before joining. So in a church (not the building, but the saved, baptised believers that assemble there) they would be children of God. There may be false professors, true.. but then they just would...

This is what I'm getting at.. its like saying 'a body of water' .. Christ is singular but His body.. as in 'group ' 'assembly' can be local and visible because that is the language of how it is described

Weeelll.. the body of Christ IS the church That's one way of defining it.. with church-- meaning 'assembly, congregation, gathering' How is both local and universal with one definition? And then when you look at when the word church is used.. almost every time it's of one particular...

Yes, seeking unity in every believer is a logistical nightmare, but unity in the local body is very possible and is mainly what the New Testament is about with Jesus' admonishments through the likes of Paul.

So what happens when you refer to a church in your area? Or the one you belong to?

Yes, that's right. 'The dog'.. 'The cat' .. 'The bar' Singular standing for plural.. so it is with 'the church' and 'the body' .. Not as in Christ's literal body.. but body as in group, assembly. So you can have the one person Jesus being Head over mulitple assemblies, groups. So ...