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With baptism of the Holy Spirit... which verses show this is about receiving eternal life? The instances I see of the Holy Spirit baptism are of groups of believers being empowered..not individuals receiving eternal life.

Well for one - you have history in christianity of Roman Catholicism persecuting other christians to the point of killing off millions. The protestant reformation and the history of some ana-baptists attests to this. Second- you have the overall teaching of Roman Catholicism that combines...

Romans 7:22-25 is related to this. We have a dual nature.. struggles against sin.. But thank God for His everlasting grace!

Hard to tell in a bible discussion forum I guess eh? It's all typing.. we don't see what people are actually doing for Jesus. But of course there are fruits of having the Holy Spirit indwelling someone's soul.

Alright, so there are a lot of folks on here who see Christians who believe in once saved always saved... and then go to the place of attacking their security in Christ, believing they are not walking the walk. Now personally, the majority of osas proponents I know are actually very faithful...

Yeah.. as one person once said... 'Doing good works to try and get to heaven is like spraying perfume on a corpse.' If God did not forgive our sins when we believe.. we would be just walking dead.

Okay.. how many times has this been thrashed over in this forum? Why start another thread on this? Are you concerned that too many Christian's aren't walking the walk? Then address that.. rather than attacking the security people have in Jesus Christ! Nuff said

Yes.. there is surely saved, sincere believers within the catholic church but as a system of faith overall it is not straight christianity. To get into heaven.. that is purely calling out for eternal salvation from Jesus Christ who is God

Yes, I always trip over 'persons' because it makes me think of entirely seperate beings.. whereas God is one triune being. Then manifestations.. like Nehemiah6 posted- can be God manifesting as Jesus at one point.. and then not as the Holy Spirit or the Father at the same time. Just gotta let...

Oh.. I think I finally get the difference.. Doing that would create inequality and inferiority between Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Ya the video saying we are duped.. but is plain in scripture that aside from the Father.. Jesus and the Holy Spirit have equal power and receive equal worship

Well my understanding with calvinism is getting saved before believing in Jesus. I could be wrong...

Yeah.. I take it that a calvinist does not call out for eternal salvation. I take it that Armenians believe eternal salvation can be undone. I see not calling out for salvation not sitting with John 3:16 or Romans 10 I see losing salvation not sitting with John 3:16 either and John 5:24...

I am a firm believer in the trinity Jesus is God Holy Spirit is God Father is God They are coequal, co eternal, co-existing One being.. God So what is the issue with calling them manifestations? How is that different from persons? I'm not oneness Pentecostal but I don't see a lot of...

Thank you for the post.. I'm guessing you are Jewish and accepted Jesus as Saviour..what is your testimony?

Just to add also.. Jesus as Son.. doesn't also mean 'created or born out of the Father' It's more Son like 'image' 'expression' 'supreme heir' When Jesus said 'the father is greater than I' That's not saying He is superior.. but that the Father is in a greater position. Like if I said...

Romans 10 John 3:16, 5:24, 3:36 The thief on the cross Romans 5:8 What is the context of passages around receiving the Holy Spirit? Is it about an individual receiving the Holy Spirit or a group being empowered? That'll be how you establish the truth

Ah.. I mean.. an individual is indwelt by the Holy Spirit when the believe. But the Holy Spirit also has the role of being 'in the midst' of a church. There is no scripture where the Holy Spirit doesn't indwell some one upon belief. Like I said.. the disciples would have already been...

I get what you mean with being empowered by grace, and free to come directly to Jesus, and that allowing us to His will. But how is scripture not God's Word? Do you mean that it is divinely inspired, inerrant, infallible but it isn't God speaking into our hearts directly? Also-- the 10...

God will convict the robber to stop. So it isn't ok.. but it isn't going to undo their justification