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Jesus came to find the lost sheep. A lost sheep will repent and will return to the fold when Jesus calls. And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost." - Luke 19:9-10

Thank you, Roger. …But Paul is not referring to the Elect here in the book of Romans 3. He’s talking about the tares, methinks. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known...

Well, to tell the truth, I still can’t accept total depravity. The way I see it, it just isn’t supported by Scripture. Let’s start with Abel? Was he not described as being righteous in Matthew 23:35? "that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous...

Now here’s something else to consider from Ephesians 2:2-3 Here, it isn’t Adam being blamed for our fallen nature; it’s the prince of the air, that is to say, Satan! Ephesians 2:1-9: And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course...

To what extent does faith correspond with obedience? Isn't faith more about trusting anf having confidence in God?

Do you think there will be a hell in the New Jerusalem? I say, “absolutely no.” Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God...

This is at the end of the Millennium. The Great White Throne Judgment awaits, and those who don’t make it will be cast into the Lake of Fire, the Second Death.

This verse is actually talking about the time of the 7th trump when Jesus returns. And yep, they will be cast into that Lake of Fire at the end of the Millennium.

The second death means death, not suffering forever and ever and ever.

@MerSee All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever." ' " - Ezekiel 28:19 This verse sort of rules out the eternal torment theory, don’t you think?

What does the second death mean to you, @MerSee ?

No. Read Revelation 20:14-15.

@MerSee Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. - Revelation 20:14-15 The second death is the death of the soul.

@MerSee Do you think the Lake of Fire is hell?

We disagree.

What is hell? Is it forever? I say not. At the GWTJ, those who never believed in Christ will be blotted out. No more memory of them. That’s why there will be no tears in the New Jerusalem (in the Eternity).

Right. But everyone has to choose in this age, yes? The Elect will always come to Jesus as He will draw them to Himself. Those who never come to Jesus are not His sheep. I actually wonder about that word ‘non-Elect’—Is there even such a thing? One was either chosen or not. :rolleyes:

That’s true. But there are those with free will who will accept Jesus upon hearing the Gospel, right?

No. :)

Those “in Christ“ have eternal life. They were justified before the foundation of the world. Simple.