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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    So now there's three comings? Hebrews 9:28, "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a SECOND time for a second time for salvation WITHOUT REFERENCE TO SIN, TO THOSE WHO EARGERLY AWAIT HIM." He first came to die for the sins of mankind. He is coming a...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    First of all I am "NOT" upset. You just don't know what your talking about and your not being logical. God is always logical and sometimes He is a-logical which means He goes beyond logic. There are two prophecies in Daniel. The first one was when Titus destroyed the temple and not one rock was...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    What an "asinine" statement for you to make.? You said, "Christians are nowhere to be found in Matt 24 to begin with. " It's no wonder you could not answer any of my questions? Telling me instead to "go to the go to guy?" For one thing when the disciples ask Jesus at Matthew 24:3, "Tell us...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    What are you talking about that the God we call Jesus was not known as Jesus during the OT times. What difference does that make? So instead you decide (or whoever wrote all your points) that this God is really Michael the arc angel, who btw was created by this God Jesus. I keep telling you...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Actually there are various views on this subject. Some believe it takes place in heaven and others on the earth. Read the 4th paragraph from the following site: https://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-supper-Lamb.html It places the supper in heaven. Personally, (a post tribulation believer) thinks...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Is this the best you got? You mean you can't answer for yourself? I guess you don't know about 1Peter 3:15, "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who ask you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Oh please, don't make me laugh! Your the one that needs to "think?" Instead of hip hoping all over the Bible and telling us how Judas is Satan. With that line of reasoning the Apostle Peter is Satan, at least according to Jesus Himself at Matthew 16:23, "Get behind Me, Satan!" Of course we all...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Of course it is, don't you think I know this? Your the one who quoted two verses implying they relate specifically to the tribulation. Now your trying to cover yourself of this big mistake. There goes your credibility as far as I'm concerned. IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    I have to say, what in the world do these two verses have to do with Christians going through the tribulation and the coming of the of the Lord Jesus Christ at the end of the tribulation? These verses are about prophesying of the Lord Jesus Christ coming/incarnating to die for the sins of the...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Fair enough, so what's with the questions? In Him, bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    The answer can be found at Philippians 2:5-9. "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6, who, ALTHOUGH He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped." That word although means , "in spite of the fact" that He was God He did not...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Now to get back to you Goldwing. The moment you said the following: "We also know that, “Jesus came to His own, (in human form), and His own knew Him not.” It is quite conceivable this same issue involving, The Angel of the Lord/Michael (in angelic form) is why Lucifer and one third of the...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    I'm pretty sure that it is common knowledge that Christians understand that angels are created beings. Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones had this to say about created angels in his book "God the Father, God the Son" (published in 1996). I quote from Chapter 10 which discusses the doctrine of God's good...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    That does not mean that they were the "US" that helped God in creating man or anything else for that matter. When Job 38:7 says, "And all the sons of God shouted for joy" how does that translate into them helping with the creation of man? Did you consider the possibility they were "shouting" for...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Actually it was done by the one God consisting of the three persons of the Trinity. Notice Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image." In Him, bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    You said this: "There was no such thing as "Jesus" before His conception miraculously in Mary." That's not quite true. Jesus appeared in the Old Testament numerous times but we did not know that His name was Jesus until He was born. In Him' bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    I completely understand the points you are making and I know (a couple) solid Trinitarian believers who do think Jesus Christ in His preincarnate state think He is Michael the arc angel. Some also believe He is "Melchizedek" as well. Of course I don't believe that either. First things first by...
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    So what? You keep saying the same tired excuse that Jesus Christ cannot be God because others are called Elohim, "One of the prophets of God was called a god and it was the same word Elohim." Are any of these so-called "a gods" the one and only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Did...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    That makes no sense, and is impossible. Consider Hebrews 1:1-3. Also consider Malachi 3:1. Who do you think the messenger of the covenant is that will come to His temple? It's the angel of the Lord, the preincarnate Jesus Christ. IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Good question? Jesus Christ physically and temporarily appeared in the Old Testament before He incarnated as a man permanently. I wrote the following some time ago on this site which explains how. Ah, the angel of the Lord, one of my favorite subjects. The angel of the Lord first appears as...