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Extinguished is to put out. David prayed that God would not take His spirit away so he knew that was a possibility. Also the one verse i am aware of which seems to indicate that the Holy Spirit will be with us forever has been rewritten inconsistent with the original Greek. John 14:16 is...

i agree with your second sentence. we don't work for our salvation we work from it. but the last comment i disagree with. are you saying it is okay to murder since we are not under the law? no we are under the law of the Spirit which is an expansion of some aspects of the law and an...

this is earth. the fathers will is often not fulfilled. it is why we are taught to pray for it. there are many, many, many places in scripture where we see God's will unfulfilled.

and quenching, meaning to extinguish?

it seems you are reading into it and ignoring the plain meaning. he was dead and ALIVE AGAIN. he didn't say he may be dead. If the father really is God in the parable HE knew the son was not physically dead. it also states he was lost. lookup the underlying Greek. Lost does not mean dead.

did i claim that? no you read into it. in any event I apologize if i mis-characterized what you said.

I apologize. We agree on the first 4 points completely. The last point is more dicey. Are you familiar with Dan Barker? You may want to look him up. Same comment with the Prodigal son.......

How is this a lie? Now you have confused me. The Modern Church teaches that nothing you as a human can do affects your salvation, correct? Hence calling someone to live faithfully is irrelevant. Calling someone to obedience is irrelevant. Where did i err?

I guess it would depend on who led me to write it wouldn't it?

Perhaps you can just confirm what i understand you to say: it does not matter not how you live your life at all to your salvation....correct?

I started to go through it and already i see the same i see everyplace. people quoting PART of scripture to justify their beliefs rather than look at the weight of scripture. I just wrote a book and went through this. the problem is that people don't understand the basic idea of what belief...

i will look at it. not going off on you; responding to you.

Amen; agree completely..........Praise God!

maybe this will help. belief without seeking to do the will of God is unbelief. this will help you with the other passages.....

Consider John 15:1-6 and Romans 11:11-24 as well.

Yes God called you. Now wi Consider the LOGIC only for a minute. If nothing we do has any impact on our salvation once we accept Christ, then it makes no difference logically if we do good or live in sin. This is what most teach. It is errant.

Absolutely TRUE; the idea of the son relationship is another human creation designed to build on a false doctrine.

I don't think you are reading what i wrote. I said works give evidence to our faith and that is exactly what they do. James makes this point "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. " Faith believes and acts. Faith is not some abstract belief. If you...

i don't think you understand grace. it is not something that insulates from all other human activity. it is designed t READ scripture. it does not say nothing can separate us from our salvation. it says nothing can separate us from the LOVE of God. You have missed the point of what is...