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"ThereRoseaLamb, I will highlight in red those parts that make the confessional statements based on these scriptures 1 Tim 21 21 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality. Matthew...

ThereRoseaLamb said: [but God CREATED them to be destroyed. Bible doesn't teach it, period.] 3._____ By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others...

ThereRoseaLamb, [Well now you've not been able to prove a Scripture wrong that I've posted. I noticed you skipped answering most of those posts. I'd say the one trying to defend a man instead of the Word is the "emotional" one. He didn't and many have shared Scripture here to prove that wrong...

Hello Jonathan, I would like to help you with this. You offer several topics here, all good and need to be discussed. Quick answer is, the Apostles all believed in the elect, so it is not better to quit believing in the truth of God. Let me offer you this; http://vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html

"ThereRoseaLamb, [Calvin doesn't say God lies, He makes God a liar when he twists Scripture to say something it doesn't.] That is you twisting things, your wrong understanding. [Like Jesus didn't die for the world, or that He doesn't love the sinner and wish for them to be saved.] These are...

ThereRoseaLamb, TRL, let's see what you have got! Looks like an emotional rant, devoid of facts. [Jesus did not preach or teach Calvinism.] Sure He did. This tells us you have no clue, no idea what the teaching is. [That Scripture doesn't teach it either.] Again it is clear you are not well...

Not sure what you mean by your comments, can you expand your ideas.

Did I mention Calvin at all? Can you show a direst quote where Calvin says God lies? Can you show a direct quote where Calvin says God is cruel? Or are you hiding behind a shallow mention of Calvin because you cannot respond to what is being offered? I doubt you have read much if any Calvin...

You ignored what I posted because you have made up your own image of who you believe is God. You do not like the God revealed in scripture, so you pick and choose what parts you like. Just make up your own definition as you do that anyway.

He is speaking of the elect seed of Abraham.

ThereRoseaLamb, {They absolutely did not!!] Jesus and the Apostles and prophets taught these truths as foundational doctrines Eph2:20 [No where does the Bible teach that only an elect few can be saved] Correct, it was an elect multitude that gets saved,look here;Gen13: 16 And I will make...

"ThereRoseaLamb, TRL, I am glad and thank you that you are excited enough to respond here. However i might ask if you could clarify? [No God doesn't save those He wants to] God did not purpose to save anyone ? He did not want to save people? Was He somehow forced to save people , but...

What Scripture are you quoting above? In Gen.12-17....several times God tells Abraham that his spiritual descendants will number more than the stars of Heaven,or more the the sand in the sea. More than man can number. That is a multitude.

God saves His people when he wants to You have no idea if they are elect, but not yet drawn to Jesus.

"Snacker, [For God so loved the WORLD …] Yes He did. That Love caused Him to do something. What was that? Of course it was the giving of His Son. To What end??? That every believing one; 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so...

I have been wrong about things before,snacker. I am open to biblical correction. Turn to Ezk 34 and explain to me how God does not say 17x that He is going to seek and save, and feed, and lead, His sheep. show me which verse says otherwise.

Hello SF, God named those group of people. It is a group of sinners that God has had mercy on. It is not a "elite" group. It is special because God has set His love on them. 2tim.1;9

Or...Jesus died a Covenant death according to the plan and purpose of God. Everyone who Jesus died for is going to be saved. Not one will be lost as Jesus seeks and saves His sheep...Ezk34

John146, [Dancing around and altering scripture] That is what you are doing by avoiding the responses you were given. Try and show where hebrews2 does not have the elect children, those given by the Father to the Son in mind! [is what one must do to justify the Calvinist position.] This is the...

"John146, Nice try John, let's expose your error- [That's exactly what Calvinist's do...fragment scripture. For example, for whom did Christ die?] He died a Covenant death for the elect children the father gave to Him. [1. For all (1 Tim. 2:6; Isa. 53:6).] The passages explain themselves...