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No.

I’m not talking about spiritual Jews. Read Revelation 2:9, please…and do a study on it.

That’s not really what I said, though. Read the scripture again (Revelation 2:9) and do a little research on it.

God chose His election before the foundation of the world (in the first earth age).

I think you might be getting hung up on two little words: free will. :)

I believe not all Jews that say they’re Jews are true Jews. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. - Revelation 2:9 (KJV)

Could it be that the lost sheep don’t know they’re sheep until they hear the Gospel? And then they know that they know that they know their Shepherd? (they recognize Him).

Yikes. I’m getting confused—and I know God is not the author of confusion. The way I understand it is that before the foundation of the world, those who were believers then were chosen and predestined. Right or not?

Me neither. Just because we believe in election and predestination doesn’t mean we follow a man named Calvin. We are followers of Jesus. :)

Coffee? Welcome back!

Nah… Your context is off. We were talking about belief a minute ago and now, you’ve changed it to bearing fruit. We can now talk about that if you’d like.

—What I mean is that since we are saved only by His grace and not by our works, belief is a work of God. John 6:28,29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Yes. ….upon repentance.

…but that’s not a work.

It is Jesus who did the work. He is the One who took the stripes so that we could be healed. ~selah

always! :) Happy Ressurection Day, siblings all. Laters.

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