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  1. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Job did not have a broken spirit or a contrite heart. He was striving with his...
  2. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    We know from the outset of the story that Job has not committed any sin to incur his suffering. That is the entire premise of the story. God knows it, satan knows it, Job knows it, and every reader knows it. So Job is correct when he claims he has done nothing wrong to cause his current...
  3. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    Circling back about Elihu, here are some questions I posted. Wondering if you have a response? Question: if God Himself is going to show up and appear to Job, why would Job need Elihu? What does Elihu offer that God Himself is not already going to give Job, and much more besides? Question: in...
  4. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    We all have spoken rightly when we confess our sins to God. Yes I believe Job sinned when he failed his second test. As stated in another reply, the context of God saying that Job spoke rightly of Him is being compared to the words of Job's three friends. In context, the comparison are Job's...
  5. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    God's words concerning the three friends is often misquoted. God never said that they said anything wrong, and God never said anything about them in reference to Job. Job 42:7 And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is...
  6. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    Yes, anyone reading this story should consider both Old and New Testament. So I don't believe Job is someone who never sinned. Of course he sinned. That should not be in question. Job himself admits this when he says, "If I sin, then Thou [God] markest me, and Thou wilt not acquit me from mine...
  7. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Slain from the foundation of the earth.) Job said, Job 29:14 I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe...
  8. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    The reference to the "patience of Job" is directly from Scripture. It's not just some colloquialism, it's from James 5:11. Also, I agree with you still that Job's faith was strong and that he remained faithful to God through his trial. I don't read this story as Job falling into the hands of...
  9. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    We all have spoken rightly when we confess our sins to God. Yes I believe Job sinned when he failed his second test. I see. You believe Job sinned. So we know Job's three friends sinned and God requires them to make a sacrifice for their sin. We know that without the shedding of blood, there...
  10. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    Sorry, I see that there are quotes but can you provide the reference? Thanks!
  11. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    Do you believe Job sinned?
  12. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    No, I don't think it strange that nobody replied to Elihu. Interesting, yes - but not particularly strange. Yes, Elihu's uninterrupted speeches are very long. Job 9:23 reads like other expressions of pain or despair like ones you might find in Psalms. Under the circumstances, this must have...
  13. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    Question: if Elihu's statements are the same as God's (in word and in meaning), why does God affirm Job and not Elihu? God explicitly says (twice) at the end in chapter 42 that Job has spoken rightly of God, but God does not say that about Elihu. Have you ever wondered why?
  14. christophernyc

    The book of Job, my favorite book.

    I adamantly disagree with this assessment. I see how you are trying to tie these all together, but there are some major problems with your conclusions. Here's just one for you. In Job 40:8 God asks Job "Will you condemn Me that you might be righteous?" Please notice this is a question NOT an...