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I never mentioned inhalation - you did... I don'tunderstand what you're trying to say other than that.

PennED, I think you are maybe talking about when Jesus said of some that it would be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than it would be for them at the judgement?

Yes, well, death is forever.

Oh my gosh, penned!! Where have you been?? :giggle: Hi there. What verse are you referring to here?

I disagree that the bible states what you say it states. I do think that's how you personally interpret what you read, but I do not think it states what you interpret it to be stating. Maybe I would be helped by the verses that you interpret to be saying that eternal death is a state of...

I suppose you could. It's just not how I see it. Yes, God is eternal. And eternal life is in the Son and in fact, Jesus said: I AM the life. He IS eternal life. There is no eternal life apart from Him. So I have a hard time trying to swallow it when men try to convince me that they DO have...

To be eternally dead IS an everlasting judgement. It is a judgement that will never be reversed and with no hope of ever being reversed. To be dead and never to rise again IS an eternal judgement.

Interesting. Thank you. Consider too, that in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man cannot be in the lake of fire, because if he were, he would not be begging for Lazarus to be sent to warn his brothers, because the time of any warning would be over with.

I cannot in any way grasp that eternal death means eternal life of torment. My mind can NOT grasp the thought.

Well...yes. My interpretation is that all will be raised to life again for the judgement. That would include the unsaved. But then the unsaved will die the second death and it will be an eternal state with no coming to life ever again.

Why are you laboring SO HARD to try to get another man to pass judgement on another mans eternity? It's bad enough that you would do it, but you want to try to force another man to be as bold and arrogant? I don't think you will get many takers because most men fear God, as they should, and...

My answer is that I am not qualified to judge another mans salvation. I leave the judging to God. My mind comes up with all sorts of things and verses that make me refuse to be the judge. And that you would pronounce that judgement makes me cringe for you.

It reads to me like they will be brought to life again for the judgement, and will then die the second death.

Yes, terrible. People see what they read about it differently. No new thing there - we all understand some verses differently. Some see eternal death as meaning: eternally dead for good, no reversing it - just eternally dead and gone. And some see eternally dead as being alive and in torment...

Hmm...okay, it's enough. :)

Aaaand...if I'd read angelas posts first I could have saved my breath! :D We are told knowledge will increase in the time of the end. We see an example of it with this. :)

I'm not sure if you are grasping what the man is saying. You are reading from your translation. Your translation was translated from the Greek. He is saying those words are not in the original Greek, and he is right - they aren't. The translators added them.

You have no idea what happens on another mans death bed. You have no idea what transpires between any man and God in his last seconds. I once watched a woman go to God very shortly before she died. She was actually actively dying when she met God and went to Him. Leave it to God. Trust God with...

Hey groovy dan, that was a groovy post. :)

I don't think you will get anyone who will set themselves up as judge of that.