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Before Jesus died and before God sent the Spirit to baptize men, then they would have been a shadow of what was to come...

I'm not sure you could call it a shadow. Shadows precede the coming thing. They speak of what is coming ahead of time. I would say water baptism is more a...picture of a spiritual reality. All of the sacraments speak of spiritual realities. Until you experience the spiritual realities, they...

This all reminds me of one of my favorite stories. Teresa of Avila tells it. She was traveling because of some business regarding one of her houses. (She was a prioress I think it's called). She had the most nasty cold and was feeling awful. (I might get some of this wrong, going by memory)...

Remember that you said this when later today you find yourself with both feet and a baby grand piano in your mouth. :LOL:

Whenever I think of humility, it eludes me at every turn. There's no topic or subject on earth that can make me sit, blinking and dazed, like humility can. I believe no man can state that he is humble without giving away the fact that he isn't. Sometimes I say to God, (in joking with Him) that...

It seems silly to me too, because it appears so clear when I read it. (I read the entire chapter again before bed and it was even more clear to me that it had ever been). I think if I had the gift of speaking in various tongues, I would not like it at all when others said, as has been said here...

Maybe they felt it was something that, online, you should not have to divulge unless you wanted to? Or maybe they thought...it would make those dummies who come in here and send inappropriate message to ladies have to send them to women AND men, without knowing which is which? (Picture dcon...

They saw Him go into heaven in this manner: they were looking intently at the sky as He was going. It sounds like when you release a helium balloon and you can watch it going up, peering intently and squinting to see it as it grows smaller and smaller and goes from a barely visible speck, to...

They did not understand that He was coming twice previously. The scriptures were all there, but they couldn't see it. Given that He causes things to repeat over and over, as ecclesiastes says, it is not a call-the-guys-in-the-white-coats idea to consider that it may happen again and that once...

The problem is we most often think we have perfect, total knowledge and complete truth on a matter when we don't. Love you too. Good night.

I just discovered something that is very interesting and informative. (And everybody else has probably already discovered it. :D) If you go to a members page, you can see on the right hand side, all the things they've given thumbs down/negative reaction to and all that they have approved/given...

And if your mind isn't constantly being changed on many things, then your mind isn't being renewed and you are not growing in Christ or learning a darn thing but are just repeating yourself over and over because you already know everything. :rolleyes:

I heard you the other 5 times you stated this. :D And I agree. And yes, there is only one at present who I see stating it. Kelby began in the thread by leaning toward it but her view seemed to change a little, which is a good thing. If our discussions don't move us closer to each other in...

Well maybe you will have better luck than I did CS1. I tried to have that same discussion with him but didn't see any more relevant verses, just the one. It went like this:

I just thought of some encouragement for anyone who has never spoken in tongues if they have felt any discouragement at the charges in here that they have not received the Spirit because they've never manifested the gift of the Holy Spirit in this particular way. It starts at 1 Cor12:15 15 Now...

I think I recall him saying that which is perfect has come is...the NT canon. It struck me as so bizarre that I skipped the rest of his post, but I do remember that first part because I thought it was ridiculous. Sorry to say that but it was so far from seeming sensical that I just skipped the...

I completely disagree with this. Those who are given this great gift of speaking in tongues and who pray in tongues are being led by the Spirit. Yes, there are some who fake it because of pressure, but I don't think that's the case with CS1, with shrume, with oh I forget her name, sorry.

I think every one of us in here believes - even knows - that Jesus wants us all to experience the empowering of the Holy Spirit. That isn't really the debate in here, for the most part. The debate is over whether that empowering will look exactly the same for all and whether each one of us will...

You have made me laugh really hard shrume! :) No, all who speak in tongues are not babies or immature. Those who walk with lesser amounts of humility are immature. Those who would insist that they know for a fact that someone has not received the Spirit, or who would say they know for a fact...

Well, maybe you just aren't called to take care of the nursery...:p