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Work-salvaionist is not a good description of who I am or justpassinthrough. A better description would be biblical-salvationists, because we view all scriptures in the bible as pertaining to salvation, not just a few that tends toward OSAS agenda.

Again, you would never say, I am saved, but since love is not part of that saved process, I don't have to love and I will still be saved. That is an oxymoron. If you don't have love in your heart, you will not be saved, which makes love a part of the saved process.

Not quite the right idea.

If you do not do good works, you will not be saved. Always remember that good works is a sign that you are saved. Good works does not save you, but if the sign is not given, then God will know you were never saved in the first place and your position is make believe.

We are not to judge. But in my congregation we will find many make believers. Ask them to do anything for the church, like teach a class or help with a luncheon, or help a brother or sister with their yard because they are old and unhealthy is like asking them to go and sell all and give to...

You can quote me all the scriptures you can to try to prove that love is not part of salvation, and it does not affect me, because for every scripture that you quote about love not being about salvation, I will quote you 2 that proves it is part of salvation. Then there is the idea of just...

You are right, if you are a believer you guard, observe (do good works), and watch over Jesus's commandments. Observe does not mean to just look on. In this case observe means to be in the thick of the action, IOW doing not just hearing the commandments. So if you are a believer, you will be...

So we can say that if one is not obedient to what Jesus taught us, you are not going to be saved, because you were never saved in the first place? If you are not obedient, then you are not manifesting a genuine belief/faith, right? And if you do not manifest this belief/faith, you were never...

We believe in Jesus, that is not the problem. The problem is defining what 'love one another' looks like. Like justpassinthrough says, love is the sum total of his commandments. I will say it another way. The commandments Jesus gives us is the sum total of his love. For these commandments...

The only place where people will be like-minded is going to be in heaven. Until then, we must know they will err, but we will be ready and willing to forgive 70 X 70 often. As you can see on this forum there are very many beliefs floating around and we have to take that situation and learn and...

John 20:26-28 You will notice that Jesus gives Eternal Life to those that follow him. If you were to try to describe what it would be like to follow Jesus, you would use words like, good works, walking in the spirit, not the flesh, teaching, healing, exhorting, be an example, have charity, have...

Yes, Eternal Life

I was resonding to a person who said that I believe in a false gospel because I have put conditions on EL. So I responded and created these 4 conditions that must be followed to have EL, which he said we did not have to follow or our gospel would be false. So the first condition is according...

The scripture that is used often is John 3:15. This choice passage, taken alone, can lead one to think that all they have to do is believe and they are OSAS. However, that is a short sighted approach to the bible, because almost every page in the bible tells us that there other factors that go...

OK, so you say that Jesus met all the conditions because I could not meet even one condition, so Jesus did it all. So let's explore that concept. There is one condition that all must meet, and that is we must at least believe in Jesus as the Son of God. But you say that this is a condition...

So let me see if I can follow you. You are defending the idea that there are no conditions necessary for one to be saved. Is that right?

Well lets take that to its obvious conclustion. If there are no conditions, then 1) we don't even have to believe in Jesus. 2) we don't have to have faith in Jesus. 3) we don't have to have love for Jesus. 4) we can murder as many times as we want. 5) etc., etc., etc. I hope you can see where...

I have talked to many Christians that say they do not have to attend church on Sunday because they are no longer under the Law of Moses. Because they are under grace, they feel like they are freed from Sabbath restrictions even though our Christian Sabbath is on Sunday, the Lords day, instead...

You are correct, baptism does not save anyone that does not trust Jesus and his promises and lives the way Jesus intended Christians to live. But I can tell you this, that if you had chosen not to be baptized, you would have no place with Jesus, because he said to follow him, and if you chose...

It was unnecessary for Jesus to say if you are not baptized you will be damned. The reason for that is: if you do not believe, why would you be baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the HS? You would not, therefore it was given that if you do not believe you will be damned, and...