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    Not By Works

    Let's answer them for you: 1) hypnotist - not applicable 2) amnesia - God will judge 3) falsely accused is a real story. Over the centuries their are perhaps millions of stories of men and women and children who have been true believers that have had such a negative traumatic event happen to...
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    There are simply too many scriptures that tell us that the true believer can fall, if they do not take heed of their salvation. Too many scriptures that prove OSAS is not a true doctrine.
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    Not By Works

    It is a concept that is fully functional under OSAS. If a person is saved and then turns from Jesus and in fact hates him, the doctrine of OSAS by definition and regardless of his hate, that man must be saved by Jesus into his Kingdom.
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    Has there not been a war in heaven before? Lucifer and his angels who were eventually cast out of heaven. Is my statement such a stretch? But for argument sake, let me just say that Jesus will not force men and women that hate him into his Kingdom. There, does that make it a little more...
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    Not By Works

    So you are saying that a man or woman who hates Jesus will be allowed in his Kingdom, to spread contempt and lies and foster rebellion?
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    Who is the one being obstinant? You believe that you are saved the second you believe and that you are covered from that second until you die with the grace of Jesus. Some scriptures lead you to believe that your thoughts are valid. But there are many more scriptures that lead you to believe...
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    Not By Works

    Jesus will not force a man or woman to abide in him, even if a man or woman at one time said they would. If a man or a woman reject their belief in Jesus and turn away and never repent and return, Jesus will reject them, even if one time they believed. There has to be a morsal of common sense...
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    Not By Works

    So a man gets all excited about Jesus and has a born-again experience. Is full of Christian charity, is faithful and steady in his church, has a great family and teaches them well. And then one day a woman enters into his life and he eventually throws all of it away to have her. He throws...
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    Not By Works

    All Sabbbatismos and I and James ever say is that your faith must be followed by good works, or you will prove yourself to be a make believer, because good works always follows a genuine faith. If you insist on calling that an embellishment, or a topper offer, you call it what you will, but...
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    Not By Works

    Again, Paul did not teach that we are saved by works because we are not saved by works. But we can be damned because of a lack of good works. Here is how it works. If you are a genuine believer, works will follow. So we know who is a genuine believer. If works do not follow, then we know...
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    Not By Works

    You hit the target. If someone rejects Jesus, they unsave themselves. It only makes sense. Why would Jesus force anyone to come and live with him forever? So on ones own accord they make a choice to be saved or not.
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    Not By Works

    There will be many people at the judgment who were trusting in their born-again status that assured them a place in heaven without having to do anything else except believe. These nominal Christians will be surprzed and will look to their pastors for help and not find it. Many Christians will...
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    Not By Works

    Jesus is talking about every branch IN HIM, whether that person lived in 30ad or lives in 2018ad. He is talking to everybody who believes in him. And he is telling them that if they do not produce fruit, fit for the KOG, they will not be in the KOG, whether you think you are born-again or not...
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    It is not a lack of works to save them, (remember, works can't save), it is a lack of works because their "supposed" experience being born-again was not genuine.
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    Not By Works

    Nice post, but it boils down to 4 words in your last paragraph: "if it is genuine". If it is genuine, good works and obedience, and faith experiences follow. If it is not genuine then you will not see these things in its proper abundance. Like I have said many times, billions of...
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    Not By Works

    John 15:2 2 Every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. You do not have to start everyone of your posts with "lol". When I post something, it is not a laughing matter.
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    Not By Works

    You have never seen an animal that is stuck in mud or tied up in barbed wire, and when you come to save it, they struggle so hard to get away from you that they actually die of their wounds. Apparently you have not. You think that in the real world the prodigal did not have other options...
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    Not By Works

    I have heard numerous times that the second you believe, you are saved. The parable of the sower proves that to be a wrong doctrine. Now because of the parable of the sower, there are 2 kinds of belief. One that is not a deep abiding belief, and another one that is a deep abiding belief. It...
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    Not By Works

    The bible absolutely says, now go do work. That is the solution to the crappy life. Have you ever heard these words. Those who lose their life will gain their life. Those who lose their life in the service of their God will gain their life here on earth and will have EL with God and Jesus...
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    Not By Works

    I agree that the wayside seeds had no root and did not know about salvation. The stony seeds received the word with joy (believed) and put down roots, but because of the soil it was shallow root, and their plant sprang up immediately. So I believe these people heard the word, believed and...