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this does not explain how that the example in Romans 9:10-13 is Jacob and Esau before they were even born.

Romans 9:19-21 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed [it], "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the...

many writers write many wrong things. that's your own argument; it is a logical fallacy. one thing we do know is true is that God hardens whom He will, and has mercy on whom He will, and that it is vain to think to judge Him.

you may need to skip Romans 9 :unsure:

why was Christ born of a virgin? Augustine has a very good answer. blood.

the reality is that the result of the free will of everyone is sin and death, worthy of damnation. just because i do not reach out and save a bee in my barrel from drowning does not mean i caused it to fly into the water in the first place.

maybe i am only speaking of Christ - the axehead that fell in the river Jordan, the prophet with a branch lifted to the surface, but he bade the servant, reach out and take it :)

i wish every bee that lands in my water barrel would not drown. but only the ones i lift out will live. the difference between all the bees in the world and we as humans is that every single one of us sins, but only a few bees find themselves in the hazard of my rainbarrel.

how is it Satan is condemned? does anyone expect him to repent? in Job, is there any doubt what the outcome will be? or is it a judicial setting, where Satan is allowed to present his case, and the evidence entered into the testimony? or even - the testing of Christ. was it ever possible He...

Amen Salvation is Christ digging up my corpse, not me clawing my way out of my casket. and it is a supernatural work of God, of which i have no doubt in His ability to complete, not my work :)

the argument will be, and so they do not produce fruit - not that they become a plant from a different seed

'calvanists' is incorrect language. as Magenta pointed out quite early in this thread, original sin is orthodoxy, dating back to the church fathers far before the reformation. so, on what basis does orthodoxy say all descended from Adam have sin and death because of the transgression of Adam...

this is not what responsible means. it means able to be responded to, not able to respond. if someone is at 'responsible' for something, it means they can be held to account for it ((their actions can be justifiably responded to)), not that they themselves necessarily have any capability to...

what exactly changed with the advent of Christ that makes salvation possible? Does anyone merit salvation now? Does anyone consistently seek Him? do they do this while being dead in their sin or after having been made alive to Him?

Not sure it's a proper use of the term to say anti-Augustine, anti-orthodoxy is "traditionalism" ;) Let them read the epistle which we wrote about twelve years ago to that holy man Bishop Paulinus: its subject throughout in some three hundred lines is the confession of God’s grace and...

unfortunately no, because even if we presume it is a genuine supernatural salvation experience, the counterargument is ((z.b. 1 Cor 3:15)) that those warnings speak of a loss of glory and reward, not of salvation. salvation which can be lost isn't actually salvation - it's only an illusion of...

"unless He draw them, they will not come for no one seeks Him, no not one"

His Word also does not go forth and return to Him without accomplishing its purpose. if He supernaturally works in a person's heart, can they 'naturally' overcome and reverse His work?

Note the "being not baptized of him" Simple rejection of God isn't what I'm asking about: that's the natural state of mankind. But it was said, God may reach into our heart and change it towards accepting and running to Him, but that isn't equivalent to salvation. So is there some example where...

it depends on what we call Pelagian. people within denominations often believe very different things than what the 'official' doctrine of that denomination is - and these days there are a great number of people who form their own doctrines absolutely divorced from any denomination at all.