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He is not a devout Catholic trying to convert to your OSAS based religion. He is trying to understand your OSAS religion. He could see early on that your doctirne was not fully biblical and so just as I did, he tried to get you to move closer to what the entire bible says on the subject of...

Jesus is my hero too. Thanks

Are you saying that we were predestined before this earth life to believe in God and to have EL? Did God know us before this earth life?

I am surprized that a born again Christian knows nothing of Martin Luther. He should be your hero. He is my hero is some aspects, but as he tried to reform the Christian church he treaded off the path of the biblical gospel and wound up bringing us only the half of the gospel that he thought...

You know that you do not have to be Catholic to believe some of their doctrines. I just happen to believe the same way they do in terms of OSAS/ES being a false doctrine.

Did you read the article I posted in post #67226? It is interesting that the early church and the apostolic fathers all believed that baptism was necessary for salvation. Of course, so did Jesus. Even your beloved Martin Luther knew baptism was essential. So read up and be glad that you were...

I was taught that concept back in 1980 in Mesquite Nevada at a small Evangelical Christian church that does no longer exist. The pastor was teaching the problems with the doctrine of OSAS. Back then I don't think it was even called OSAS, but he was talking about being born again and thinking...

Thank you for your 2 responses. I agree with you on all that you have said. See this small article on baptism, I think you will like the history of baptism in the Christian church: https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-necessity-of-baptism

Yes, God will finally judge, but we know who are really OSAS and who are not. The problem with OSAS is that there are a lot of Christians who think they are on the OSAS path and are not. That will end up on the head of the pastor that taught them, don't worry, you have confessed the Lord...

I have no problem that a person who says they are born again, and live the way Christ lived, or at least gives it the good try, and has the kind of faith Jesus had and the kind of charity (includes good works) that Christ had, and this person can believe that they are OASA. But when a person...

Then I stand corrected. Good, you do not believe that good works gets in the way of salvation. Good. I do understand that good works done to gain salvation is going to get in the way of salvation. I do understand that and therefore my gospel is not going the way of "Cain". Please make a...

So love is produced in us after salvation is given, because God's love was poured in our hearts the moment the Holy Spirit came into our hearts. In my mind love = good works (charity). In my mind love = obedience to the commands of Jesus. So with a clear conscience I can say that a person...

So you are saying you are not sure. Because the most mainline Christian church is the Catholic church and they believe in good works. Another point is that no Christian believe in good works salvation. That is not a doctrine. But the real question is: What denominations believe in OSAS...

I believe that the sancification process has to be complete before one is saved. Tell me how one can be saved without being sanctified? How sad is it that I want to do some good works for Christ, and somehow that is going to get in the way of my salvation? That is your sad misconception that...

Interesting question. I would like to know the answer to that too?

Yes you are getting the picture. If you sin and do not confess and renounce them you are falling out of fellowship with God. If one falls out of fellowship with God, God will not forgive his sins. Bottom line is: believers must confess and renounce their sins or they will not remain in...

Excellent question. If you are saved and already have heaven, what is to complete?

You do not approve of my theological doctrines now, so how will telling you my church denomination help me? or you?

Again you are attacking the messenger. Are you out of words to discuss what he has said. When you attack the messenger, you are just showing your ignorance. You show it a lot. Stay on topic, you started the thread.

Lets see how this works in the real world. You wake up one night from a dream and the Holy Spirit has entered your heart and you believe that Jesus is the Christ, and according to you, the second you believe you are saved. Then 1 second after this person woke up and believed, they were saved...