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What you are saying is that according to the translation, you may think differently about what it means to be saved, am I right?

I believe that Jesus never gives up on the believer. But I do believe that a believer can give up on Jesus, and in the process, loses his eternal life. Jesus will force no man to heaven. So that is why Jesus emphasized believers to follow him and keep his commandments, so they would not...

I would like recon to analyze these 2 translations, since I have zero ability to interpret scripture, and tell us what the differences are and how they may affect how we are saved. Thank you recon. BillG, since you spotted it, give it a try too, lets see what you come up with as to how the...

No, I am not that man, but I wished I had been for you.

..the King Jimmy and most translations do not bring across the definite article tied to "THE" JESUS of the bible..... (see your post 64680 This statement seems to mean that the KJV and other translations lose something about something and I boiled it down to how one is saved. I think you said...

I am grateful for that man too, and happy for you that you have found Jesus and you are happy.

So are you saying that if I read the KJV that I will miss a very important piece of how to be saved?

I am glad for you.

2 pieces of information that make me wonder how you think: 1) you say, "thats like saying belief is a choice". Were you serious or just being funny? Do you seriously believe that my belief is imputed into me and that I have no choice whether to believe in Jesus or not? If you were serious...

OK, I hope you never turn, because I know you know you are saved. Right?

I really cannot start to answer you BillG. Sorry to be so confusing.

A believer will never be forsaken. But a believer turned unbeliever will be forsaken. So says the parable of the vine, and the sower, and the merciful king. All 3 are perfect examples of a believer that turned to unbeliever and lost their salvation.

So what we are left with is God will force a man to live with him for eternity? Is that how it works?

I truly wish that just one time we could have an honest discussion without telling me how horrible I am. See if you can do that when I respond nicely to you. Let's start a new tradition of discussing like adults. Thanks. A devil from the beginning does not describe a "branch in Christ".

To BillG: I was saying that some do not lose their faith and then lose their salvation, but go on to be great witnesses of Jesus Christ, and bring much fruit into the KOG.

Exactly, but how do you prune a man? How do you send a man through the refiners fire?

Apparently you have never been associated with someone that went from being a good Christian man to being a satanic worshiper. Am I right? Of course you will immediately respond that this man was never saved and Jesus did not know him. I know how you think. But Jesus did know him, he was a...

My interpretation is a little different. I believe that vs 5, 7, and 8 are all people who believed in Christ and were saved. Then things started to happen and some lost their belief in Jesus and lost their salvation. Some did not and grew to be great witness of Christ and brought forth much...

All of God's children have free agency. They have the right to reject God and they do. How many of your friends in the church have turned away from Christ and have not come back yet? They stop believing in a lake of fire and brimstone. That is one of the reasons they finally reject Christ in...

The calling of God are irrecvocable. This is a true statement. But if a man or woman finally reject Gods calling and rail against Christ, Christ will not force them to live with him for eternity. Or, do you think because God gave a gift and a calling of eternal life, that he will force the...