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Not sure what you are saying there. Can you explain please?

Jesus hadn`t been crucified or risen or ascended to the Father so no Body or `life-giving spirit. ( 1 Cor. 15: 45)

Actually we, the BODY of Christ are closer. And the Bride purpose is for another reason.

Can you prove it?

Symbolism for what?

Yes many followed the Lord however it was not till the Lord sent His Holy Spirit, (Pentecost) that they could be `set` by the Holy Spirit in the Body and be made like Christ. (1 Cor. 12: 18)

John the Baptist was of the OT prophets and they are the ones who looked for a city. (Heb. 11: 16 & 32) They are not of Israel`s bride purpose. (2 Cor. 11: 2) It is the Apostle Paul who betroth his disciples to the Lord and he wanted to present them pure. However Paul does not present us tp the...

Yes some people of that time could have eventually come into the Body of Christ. However it would have to be AT and AFTER Pentecost, because that was when the Holy spirit was poured out to `set` the members in the Body of Christ. (Acts 2: 4, 1 Cor. 12: 18) People who were saved before that...

Of course Jews were the first Christians in the Body of Christ, but NOT before Christ ascended to the Father and sent His Holy Spirit to make us like Himself. (Eph. 1: 20 - 23)

So we are the Queen of heaven, Queen priests? So the New Man is really the New Woman? So Jesus will marry millions of people? And there is no marrying in heaven. And as a man are you fine to now be told you are a woman? And there we, (Christians) telling those men or women who want a sex...

However Jesus had NOT ascended to the Father nor given His Holy spirit who makes a believer like unto Christ. Also Christ had NOT given of His 5 fold ministries till He ascended. Thus I believe the Body of Christ did not begin till the Day of Pentecost. Also the Father did not make Jesus Head...

Yes not all Israel are the true Israel, but of the promise, the Holy Spirit. And there have been and will be those of the seed of Abraham who will be the true Israel.

I understand what you are saying. I have been taught this way. All salvation is of the Lord however there are different inheritances for different groups. The Lord made the different realms in God`s great kingdom. There has been rebellion in each and thus God is dealing with those and will set...

Are you saying that the Body of Christ is Israel?

I agree. However there is a point here. The word `till,` refers to the ministry of those 5 ministry gifts, when they shall cease doing the equipping etc. for the Body of Christ would then be mature (of doctrine) and caught away to its eternal setting in glory.

Yes, glad you brought that up. And as I said Gentile proselytes became of the nation of Israel.

Thus the `bride` revelation was known BEFORE ever there was a Body of Christ. It is Israel.

Yes she was a Moabitess, however she did become of the nation of Israel as Gentile converts did.

Hi awelight, Yes we know that Jesus said that He would build His `ekklesia,` called out ones. And Peter only knew that Israel was the `ekklesia,` the called out one. Jesus did not go on to explain further what He meant. Only later to Paul did the Lord reveal who the ekklesia was that He was...

Thank you David, So it was in John ch. 3 concerning John talking about Jesus, the bridegroom and the bride. So John knew of that revelation. However the BODY of Christ was NOT revealed to any prior to the Lord giving that revelation to the Apostle Paul. (Eph. 3: 1 - 7) Thus John could NOT have...