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Jesus is obviously the obvious choice and Jesus did speak the words of God – however, is he really like Moses. Is Jesus not God how can he be compared to Moses and he was not married or had children and did not bring new law etc… died and resurrected to come back again. ‘I shall command him’ can...

Totally agree most of Judaism we have today is all made up by Rabbi's who invent to imply their superiority and status as still being the chosen people - Jews believe that they are infallible even though the contradict each other and the OT. There is also this lie about oral law / tradition...

I didn’t say he was God - and there is no evidence that they left his 'parents out of the record' - it clearly says no genealogy or beginning or end. Heb 7:6 doesnt say he has a genealogy

Hebrew 7 doesnt say 'there was no record of genealogy' Its very clear: 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

Sorry what you say opens more questions and apologies if I am not understanding. Eve had sin, also Jesus was meant to be the seed of Abraham / David. Melchizedek’s - Hebrews 7:3 notes he is "without father or mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life,"

Agreed God cannot ever not be God! So, if Jesus was God all the time including on the cross - how should we understand the pain Jesus suffered and how should we explain it to others non-Christians? for example, the flesh was in pain, but God Jesus wasn’t in pain or God had temper pain etc...

Good topic, hopefully you can help me. I’ve been discussing this passage with a Jewish guy – he states – there is no Hebrew word for ‘pierce’ and the word Kaari – means ‘Lion’ The closest word is Kaaru – which means ‘Dug’ and in dug a hole in the ground. example - Psalms 22:21 - Save me from...

Yes all accepted any specific passage saying atonement - remittance is a different meaning

Yes I agree to all that - that’s not the point I was looking for a specific passage

I get what your saying but I was looking for specific confirmation Jesus died as a atonement. Hebrew 9.26 seems to be the closest - but arguably this refers to the "the sin offering" - supported by Leviticus 5:9 LXX 9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin-offering on the side of the...

noted - but not represent clearly what I said, anyway, 1) any passage to support this? The rest - the Hebrew passages don’t confirm Jesus died as an atonement - any passages that say that?

Yes agreed 1) going back to the initial point - I’m looking for a passage where it says Jesus died as an atonement 2) Mat 5 under the 'era of the Law' - based on what and when no longer under the law? 3) I wasn’t looking at the OT - looking at NT - only raised OT due to it being raised 4)...

sorry - what you talking about?

Yes agreed OT – Mat 5:17 would them imply all laws and rituals should be kept. Then you also have passages like Mat 12:7 & 9:13 ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ – any way this will distract to a long argued point of should keep the law. I was looking to find something specific where is says...

Yes agreed to the point your making. But Atonement is the action or sacrifice and Reconciliation is not, they have different meaning. Also doesn’t say Jesus died as an atonement – Leviticus 17:11 – is what I’m looking for regarding Jesus. I was trying to find something specific – there must be...

yes agreed - but that doesn’t say he died as an atonement

Not sure if this was to my comment raised, apologise if it wasn’t. Yes noted - but it doesn’t say Jesus death was an Atonement. I may be wrong, but my understanding is - "atonement" is an expression of contrition and an appeal for forgiveness made by or on behalf of the one who sinned. As to...

Thanks Yes - the emphasis on Jesus without doubt - but to be honour to have been chosen should be taken lightly and IMO she should be highly respected (obviously not worshipped) Heb 2:17 is Propitiation which has a different meaning to Atonement - any passages Jesus death was an Atonement

thanks - is there any passage were is confirms Jesus died as an atonement?

Hi many thanks for this - yes I agree with that. But my understanding is that Atonement and Propitiation have different meanings.