Amen, building up and edifying. There will be a need for this until He comes again.
1 Corinthians 14 study guide
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Amen, building up and edifying. There will be a need for this until He comes again.
Oh garee, first let me say that you are so precious and loved by God so much! I know that you already know you are precious and loved by God but, I'm just letting you know that I know, too.
Your argument has been that the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not operate anymore and all we need is the Bible - The Word of God. Anyone that is currently operating in any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is lying and is a false teacher. This belief is a lie and is spiritual blindness.
It's okay if you want to be blind. I'm very sorry if I have offended you in any way. Have a nice day!
What a nice way to tell someone they're full of it!
I saw this on @blondensmart profile......... I love it! So true!
Which is why we have the word of God and the Holy Spirit to minister in each and every heart.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
And while the argument may be an attempt to win souls, eventually we have to follow 1 Cor 14:36 Did God’s word originate with you? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37If anyone considers himself a prophet or spiritual person, let him acknowledge that what I am writing you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he himself will be ignored.b
Yes, we have both - The Word of God (Bible) AND the Holy Spirit. The Father's Will is accomplished with both - His Word and His Spirit. Both need to be alive and operating in us.
You dodged the question. I quoted the part about adding to Scripture. Kindly answer that question.
As for your question here, as the Isaiah 28 "foundation" is irrelevant in Acts 10, it can also be considered irrelevant in other contexts where no unsaved Jews are present.
I' m sorry brother if you got offended, but the goal is to set you free.
John 8:32
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1 Tim 5:20
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
The Bible says christians should grow up.
1 Cor 13:11
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Hebrews 6: 1-6
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
It has nothing to do with Jews that are not present .It has to do with those believe not the word of God, prophecy after any other than their own oral tradition .That for some reason is used as a crutch or something to confirm something. . It a sign against those who refuse to believe like those in Jerimiah 44:16-17 There are people who simply search for what they call sign gifts as seekers of wonderment magic moments . Good drama stuff for TV
You are trying to develop something that is not there. The sign still performs the function even when there is no one there for it to point to and making the relevant foundation Isaiah 28 into a irrelevant doctrine like it was never there to begin with when the key is God mocking those who mock him in unbelief .
What does the sign confirm. Yet for all that they refuse to believe God mean. As sign that they received a blessing or a curse? It can't confirm both/
Once you confirms what the sign confirm then the rest of the doctirine whose foundadtion is found in Isaiah 28 can do its work of faithfully converting hearts .
No sign gifts .
Lol Amen .He wins the arguments. So then what the sign of Tongues confirm?
What is your obsession with or without signs.?Are they valid manner of prophecy or not? What is it blinding me to or do sign reveal ?
Will what be shown other than that you protest a million times to the idea that the bible is not sealed up till the end of time with 7 seals and we not to add to it? Do you need to widen His authority or is the last book the book of Revelation? and we have the complete or perfect will with no laws missing.
Again you are speaking of people you've made up in your mind. The mysterious "they" whom you are utterly unable to quote... because they don't exist.
Inventive, but inconsistent with both Scripture and sound reasoning.
Refuted repeatedly. You're repeating error.
The purpose of gifts like speaking in tongues and healing is so that people who don't believe will have faith. And when you say the gifts will only cease because of unbelief you are saying that gifts like healing will only effect if people believe. That is not true because Jesus healed everyone, those who have faith and have no faith. Some saw the gifts/signs first before they believed. And they were healed instantly. We don't need to see miracles to have faith because we have the Bible as proof.
Mark 6:5
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
Luke 22:50
50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.
John 9:6, 35-38
6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
25 He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
So how come the great majority of peoples in allegedly "Christian" nations do not believe.
Alexander Dowie (a fellow Australian) began the Divine Healing ministries that lead to the great Pentecostal revivals of the late
19th and early 20th centuries.
Dowie healed thousands and thousands of people and set up healing homes > Zion near Chicago, Illinois.
He inspired the great Pentecostal apostle John G. Lake to also take up divine healing and to set up healing homes.
Both Dowie and Lake would preach the gospel and encourage people to become Christians and then they would lay hands
on them and pray over them for healing. God confirming his promises and rewarding faith.
John G. Lake established in the 1920s (from memory) his Pentecostal and healing ministry in Spokane, Washington, where he followed
in the path set out by Alexander Dowie and funded healing homes for the sick and terminally ill.
This ministry was so successful - it is officially recorded that at least 100,000 people were miraculously healed - that the medical
practitioners lobbied the Washington state government to prosecute John Lake for practising medicine without a licence.
Those alledgedly christians nations heard the word of God but chose to not believe.
Have you heard about placebo effect? The mind is very powerful. Those who are not healed are told they have no faith. They should be healed too because Jesus healed everyone, faith or no faith.
Its the word that those who seek after a sign use to confirm or acknowledge something or what the Bible calls walking by faith after the natural course of this world as a evil generation. Some say its a way confirming they have the Holy Spirit or get filled . If needed. (running low).
I say the sign of tongues is God mocking those who mock him in unbelief.It does confirm unbelief in the heart,
What do you thing the sign of tongues confirms ?
Who seeks after a sign?
Quote just ONE such person. Support your assertion with evidence instead of bleating it repeatedly without.
I think you meant a great majority of those who seek after a sign as a wonderment gospel. God does not heal by human hands in any way shape or form . The Potter is not served by them, he has his own fingers. .he is not a man as us.
Those who must walk after the things seen. Its like Tinkerbell offered.: "We don't need to see miracles to have faith because we have the Bible as proof". Miracles are simply miracles, nothing more and nothing less, great blessing .God is nothing less, the one administer of all . He sends his blessing on the whole field of clay .
Those who do walk after the natural course of this world called a "evil generation", the generation of Adam, natural man. Because they are not given the unseen gospel understanding... they create a illusion in their own minds things that are not there as show in Colossian 2:18-23) as the wisdom of "will worship" the wisdom of this world or like Tinkerbell used the term placebo effect?
I would offer what I call perfect example in found in Acts 14. where unbelief (no faith) is shown attributing the work of eternal God not seen to the temporal things of men seen.
it is Very dangerous to attribute the unseen work of the gospel to the hand of corrupted flesh and blood.. Life come from life. Nothing rises from ashes other than science fiction. We are to let the dead bury the dead .
And there they preached the gospel. Acts 14:7
The key that opens the understanding for the rest of the chapter. The Holy Spirit using a cripple to represent those who have no faith and therefore cannot walk with Christ. The exclusive faith that alone comes from hearing God. (it does not rub off on human hands as if God was a man as us. )
The man leaped and walked. One of the signs that come after one has believed the gospel it along with other used in that same way. The blind see, the deaf hear, speak a new tongue, the gospel is preached etc. Again lame is used that way in different parables to give rise to the unseen spiritual understanding.... hidden from the lame again who cannot walk by faith, giving glory to the unseen, not the hands of apostles as that seen . (Blasphemy)
When the lame (typified as un believers) saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. Turning things upside side down as pattern of the faithless. The Apostles would never attributed the metaphor of laying on of corrupted hands as a will that can perform miracles And we could know we are in the presence of gods in the likeness of men. The Apostles revealed that kind of gospel for what is.
And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: Acts 14:8-15
Personally I would not accuse the apostles of blaphemy. They responded in a way that they understood the spirutual meaning of the gospel. It had nothing to do with the human touch .. And yet for all that some still refuse to believe that laying on of hands is nothing more than a shadow that some follow after. it becomes a sign against them .I would think?
Okay, is your question coming from these verses?
Mark 16:15-20 King James Version (KJV)
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.